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At the beginning of Avengers: Endgame, there was exposition dialog explaining the rules of time travel this movie was working under.
Banner explained that modifying the past will not alter the present. This movie does NOT work like Back to the Future, and they even mentioned that specific film.
They said that going back into the past and removing the Infinity Stones would not change the effects they had on the present.
Taking an object from the past wouldn't remove it from the present, so you would expect the opposite to be true: going back in time and leaving an object behind would not be adding it to the present.
Then, right at the end:
Steve Rogers went back in time, and chose not to come back. The other characters then encountered a very old Steve Rogers.
Doesn't this break the rules?
Something was left behind in the past (Steve Rogers himself), but he should not have appeared in their timeline.
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At the beginning of Avengers: Endgame, there was exposition dialog explaining the rules of time travel this movie was working under.
Banner explained that modifying the past will not alter the present. This movie does NOT work like Back to the Future, and they even mentioned that specific film.
They said that going back into the past and removing the Infinity Stones would not change the effects they had on the present.
Taking an object from the past wouldn't remove it from the present, so you would expect the opposite to be true: going back in time and leaving an object behind would not be adding it to the present.
Then, right at the end:
Steve Rogers went back in time, and chose not to come back. The other characters then encountered a very old Steve Rogers.
Doesn't this break the rules?
Something was left behind in the past (Steve Rogers himself), but he should not have appeared in their timeline.
marvel marvel-cinematic-universe time-travel avengers-endgame
edited 5 mins ago
Daniel Roseman
43.6k12123160
asked 1 hour ago
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FFS, just by scrolling through the questions I now know that the solution to the snap involves time travel. Thanks :(.
– Daniel Roseman
5 mins ago
@DanielRoseman Ah sorry, I've been trying to draw the line between titles being too ambiguous and being clear when editing though I suppose at this point in time with it only just being released we need to be a bit more careful and will have to clean up later.
– TheLethalCarrot
3 mins ago
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At the beginning of Avengers: Endgame, there was exposition dialog explaining the rules of time travel this movie was working under.
Banner explained that modifying the past will not alter the present. This movie does NOT work like Back to the Future, and they even mentioned that specific film.
They said that going back into the past and removing the Infinity Stones would not change the effects they had on the present.
Taking an object from the past wouldn't remove it from the present, so you would expect the opposite to be true: going back in time and leaving an object behind would not be adding it to the present.
Then, right at the end:
Steve Rogers went back in time, and chose not to come back. The other characters then encountered a very old Steve Rogers.
Doesn't this break the rules?
Something was left behind in the past (Steve Rogers himself), but he should not have appeared in their timeline.
marvel marvel-cinematic-universe time-travel avengers-endgame
edited 5 mins ago
Daniel Roseman
43.6k12123160
asked 1 hour ago
Andrew ShepherdAndrew Shepherd
300127
At the beginning of Avengers: Endgame, there was exposition dialog explaining the rules of time travel this movie was working under.
Banner explained that modifying the past will not alter the present. This movie does NOT work like Back to the Future, and they even mentioned that specific film.
They said that going back into the past and removing the Infinity Stones would not change the effects they had on the present.
Taking an object from the past wouldn't remove it from the present, so you would expect the opposite to be true: going back in time and leaving an object behind would not be adding it to the present.
Then, right at the end:
Steve Rogers went back in time, and chose not to come back. The other characters then encountered a very old Steve Rogers.
Doesn't this break the rules?
Something was left behind in the past (Steve Rogers himself), but he should not have appeared in their timeline.
marvel marvel-cinematic-universe time-travel avengers-endgame
marvel marvel-cinematic-universe time-travel avengers-endgame
edited 5 mins ago
Daniel Roseman
43.6k12123160
asked 1 hour ago
Andrew ShepherdAndrew Shepherd
300127
edited 5 mins ago
Daniel Roseman
43.6k12123160
asked 1 hour ago
Andrew ShepherdAndrew Shepherd
300127
edited 5 mins ago
Daniel Roseman
43.6k12123160
edited 5 mins ago
Daniel Roseman
43.6k12123160
edited 5 mins ago
Daniel Roseman
43.6k12123160
43.6k12123160
asked 1 hour ago
Andrew ShepherdAndrew Shepherd
300127
asked 1 hour ago
Andrew ShepherdAndrew Shepherd
300127
asked 1 hour ago
Andrew ShepherdAndrew Shepherd
300127
300127
FFS, just by scrolling through the questions I now know that the solution to the snap involves time travel. Thanks :(.
– Daniel Roseman
5 mins ago
@DanielRoseman Ah sorry, I've been trying to draw the line between titles being too ambiguous and being clear when editing though I suppose at this point in time with it only just being released we need to be a bit more careful and will have to clean up later.
– TheLethalCarrot
3 mins ago
add a comment |
FFS, just by scrolling through the questions I now know that the solution to the snap involves time travel. Thanks :(.
– Daniel Roseman
5 mins ago
@DanielRoseman Ah sorry, I've been trying to draw the line between titles being too ambiguous and being clear when editing though I suppose at this point in time with it only just being released we need to be a bit more careful and will have to clean up later.
– TheLethalCarrot
3 mins ago
FFS, just by scrolling through the questions I now know that the solution to the snap involves time travel. Thanks :(.
– Daniel Roseman
5 mins ago
FFS, just by scrolling through the questions I now know that the solution to the snap involves time travel. Thanks :(.
– Daniel Roseman
5 mins ago
@DanielRoseman Ah sorry, I've been trying to draw the line between titles being too ambiguous and being clear when editing though I suppose at this point in time with it only just being released we need to be a bit more careful and will have to clean up later.
– TheLethalCarrot
3 mins ago
@DanielRoseman Ah sorry, I've been trying to draw the line between titles being too ambiguous and being clear when editing though I suppose at this point in time with it only just being released we need to be a bit more careful and will have to clean up later.
– TheLethalCarrot
3 mins ago
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They said that going back into the past and removing the Infinity Stones would not change the effects they had on the present.
They were saying that you can't change the past, it's already happened so what your trying to alter is actually your future. Therefore Steve never changed his past but his future i.e. it is his post Tony snap that is old not pre Endgame self. So, for himself specifically he never changed the past.
There is another thing at play with time travel here though and that is the Infinity Stones, they hold the timeline together and keep it on the correct course. When you remove them from their timeline that's when alternate timelines are created as explained by The Ancient One. As The Infinity Stones are all within their correct timelines nothing changed and so history remained the same... apparently.
The only thing that could be different here is Peggy, her timeline would be potentially different if she spent her life married and with Steve rather than apart from him. So, this part might break the tie travel rules with regards to Peggy but with regards to Steve I don't think it does.
I'll have to have more of a think about how to explain the Peggy part as all this sort of stuff hurts my head.
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I think you misunderstood the ending: if it was the way you tell it, yes, it breaks its own time travel rules.
What I understood is that Captain America lived his life in the "other" past (other timeline) and then came back when he was old: I remember Bruce Banner saying something about Cap' having used its device to come back. That way, it doesn't break the rules.
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They said that going back into the past and removing the Infinity Stones would not change the effects they had on the present.
They were saying that you can't change the past, it's already happened so what your trying to alter is actually your future. Therefore Steve never changed his past but his future i.e. it is his post Tony snap that is old not pre Endgame self. So, for himself specifically he never changed the past.
There is another thing at play with time travel here though and that is the Infinity Stones, they hold the timeline together and keep it on the correct course. When you remove them from their timeline that's when alternate timelines are created as explained by The Ancient One. As The Infinity Stones are all within their correct timelines nothing changed and so history remained the same... apparently.
The only thing that could be different here is Peggy, her timeline would be potentially different if she spent her life married and with Steve rather than apart from him. So, this part might break the tie travel rules with regards to Peggy but with regards to Steve I don't think it does.
I'll have to have more of a think about how to explain the Peggy part as all this sort of stuff hurts my head.
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They said that going back into the past and removing the Infinity Stones would not change the effects they had on the present.
They were saying that you can't change the past, it's already happened so what your trying to alter is actually your future. Therefore Steve never changed his past but his future i.e. it is his post Tony snap that is old not pre Endgame self. So, for himself specifically he never changed the past.
There is another thing at play with time travel here though and that is the Infinity Stones, they hold the timeline together and keep it on the correct course. When you remove them from their timeline that's when alternate timelines are created as explained by The Ancient One. As The Infinity Stones are all within their correct timelines nothing changed and so history remained the same... apparently.
The only thing that could be different here is Peggy, her timeline would be potentially different if she spent her life married and with Steve rather than apart from him. So, this part might break the tie travel rules with regards to Peggy but with regards to Steve I don't think it does.
I'll have to have more of a think about how to explain the Peggy part as all this sort of stuff hurts my head.
answered 1 hour ago
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
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They said that going back into the past and removing the Infinity Stones would not change the effects they had on the present.
They were saying that you can't change the past, it's already happened so what your trying to alter is actually your future. Therefore Steve never changed his past but his future i.e. it is his post Tony snap that is old not pre Endgame self. So, for himself specifically he never changed the past.
There is another thing at play with time travel here though and that is the Infinity Stones, they hold the timeline together and keep it on the correct course. When you remove them from their timeline that's when alternate timelines are created as explained by The Ancient One. As The Infinity Stones are all within their correct timelines nothing changed and so history remained the same... apparently.
The only thing that could be different here is Peggy, her timeline would be potentially different if she spent her life married and with Steve rather than apart from him. So, this part might break the tie travel rules with regards to Peggy but with regards to Steve I don't think it does.
I'll have to have more of a think about how to explain the Peggy part as all this sort of stuff hurts my head.
answered 1 hour ago
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
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They said that going back into the past and removing the Infinity Stones would not change the effects they had on the present.
They were saying that you can't change the past, it's already happened so what your trying to alter is actually your future. Therefore Steve never changed his past but his future i.e. it is his post Tony snap that is old not pre Endgame self. So, for himself specifically he never changed the past.
There is another thing at play with time travel here though and that is the Infinity Stones, they hold the timeline together and keep it on the correct course. When you remove them from their timeline that's when alternate timelines are created as explained by The Ancient One. As The Infinity Stones are all within their correct timelines nothing changed and so history remained the same... apparently.
The only thing that could be different here is Peggy, her timeline would be potentially different if she spent her life married and with Steve rather than apart from him. So, this part might break the tie travel rules with regards to Peggy but with regards to Steve I don't think it does.
I'll have to have more of a think about how to explain the Peggy part as all this sort of stuff hurts my head.
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I think you misunderstood the ending: if it was the way you tell it, yes, it breaks its own time travel rules.
What I understood is that Captain America lived his life in the "other" past (other timeline) and then came back when he was old: I remember Bruce Banner saying something about Cap' having used its device to come back. That way, it doesn't break the rules.
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I think you misunderstood the ending: if it was the way you tell it, yes, it breaks its own time travel rules.
What I understood is that Captain America lived his life in the "other" past (other timeline) and then came back when he was old: I remember Bruce Banner saying something about Cap' having used its device to come back. That way, it doesn't break the rules.
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I think you misunderstood the ending: if it was the way you tell it, yes, it breaks its own time travel rules.
What I understood is that Captain America lived his life in the "other" past (other timeline) and then came back when he was old: I remember Bruce Banner saying something about Cap' having used its device to come back. That way, it doesn't break the rules.
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I think you misunderstood the ending: if it was the way you tell it, yes, it breaks its own time travel rules.
What I understood is that Captain America lived his life in the "other" past (other timeline) and then came back when he was old: I remember Bruce Banner saying something about Cap' having used its device to come back. That way, it doesn't break the rules.
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FFS, just by scrolling through the questions I now know that the solution to the snap involves time travel. Thanks :(.
– Daniel Roseman
5 mins ago
@DanielRoseman Ah sorry, I've been trying to draw the line between titles being too ambiguous and being clear when editing though I suppose at this point in time with it only just being released we need to be a bit more careful and will have to clean up later.
– TheLethalCarrot
3 mins ago