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Character Optimization: Shillelagh Whirlwind
Character Optimization: Shillelagh Whirlwind
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I'd like to optimize my character concept:
I want my main damage source to be a Shillelagh'd weapon and squeeze that source for all it's worth.
Table character limitations:
- Character is level 5
- Point buy for level 1 ability scores
- No multiclassing allowed
- Variant Humans and Duergar are banned
- Each character gets a free feat at level 1, provided they qualify for that feat at level 1
- All official sources are allowed and can be mixed, but UA is only allowed on a per case basis (so preferably not used), no homebrew
Optimization Goals:
- Highest average damage per round possible, using Shillelagh
- Secondary goal is highest effective number of hit points, assuming a well mixed pool of damage sources
Bonus points for:
- Not using UA
- Actually having a use for my Wisdom score besides whacking with Shillelagh
So far I have:
- Hill dwarf for the juicy Con and Wis + free HP
- Go Fighter, archetype Champion for extra attack DPR and heavy armor + shield + armored fighting style
- Take Magic Initiate feat level 1 for Shillelagh + absorb elements
- Pump Wis with ASI
dnd-5e character-creation optimization damage cantrips
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I'd like to optimize my character concept:
I want my main damage source to be a Shillelagh'd weapon and squeeze that source for all it's worth.
Table character limitations:
- Character is level 5
- Point buy for level 1 ability scores
- No multiclassing allowed
- Variant Humans and Duergar are banned
- Each character gets a free feat at level 1, provided they qualify for that feat at level 1
- All official sources are allowed and can be mixed, but UA is only allowed on a per case basis (so preferably not used), no homebrew
Optimization Goals:
- Highest average damage per round possible, using Shillelagh
- Secondary goal is highest effective number of hit points, assuming a well mixed pool of damage sources
Bonus points for:
- Not using UA
- Actually having a use for my Wisdom score besides whacking with Shillelagh
So far I have:
- Hill dwarf for the juicy Con and Wis + free HP
- Go Fighter, archetype Champion for extra attack DPR and heavy armor + shield + armored fighting style
- Take Magic Initiate feat level 1 for Shillelagh + absorb elements
- Pump Wis with ASI
dnd-5e character-creation optimization damage cantrips
edited 4 hours ago
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asked 5 hours ago
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Why the close vote? Question seems clear enough
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– BlueMoon93
3 hours ago
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I'd like to optimize my character concept:
I want my main damage source to be a Shillelagh'd weapon and squeeze that source for all it's worth.
Table character limitations:
- Character is level 5
- Point buy for level 1 ability scores
- No multiclassing allowed
- Variant Humans and Duergar are banned
- Each character gets a free feat at level 1, provided they qualify for that feat at level 1
- All official sources are allowed and can be mixed, but UA is only allowed on a per case basis (so preferably not used), no homebrew
Optimization Goals:
- Highest average damage per round possible, using Shillelagh
- Secondary goal is highest effective number of hit points, assuming a well mixed pool of damage sources
Bonus points for:
- Not using UA
- Actually having a use for my Wisdom score besides whacking with Shillelagh
So far I have:
- Hill dwarf for the juicy Con and Wis + free HP
- Go Fighter, archetype Champion for extra attack DPR and heavy armor + shield + armored fighting style
- Take Magic Initiate feat level 1 for Shillelagh + absorb elements
- Pump Wis with ASI
dnd-5e character-creation optimization damage cantrips
edited 4 hours ago
V2Blast
27.8k598169
asked 5 hours ago
DonFusiliDonFusili
783413
$endgroup$
I'd like to optimize my character concept:
I want my main damage source to be a Shillelagh'd weapon and squeeze that source for all it's worth.
Table character limitations:
- Character is level 5
- Point buy for level 1 ability scores
- No multiclassing allowed
- Variant Humans and Duergar are banned
- Each character gets a free feat at level 1, provided they qualify for that feat at level 1
- All official sources are allowed and can be mixed, but UA is only allowed on a per case basis (so preferably not used), no homebrew
Optimization Goals:
- Highest average damage per round possible, using Shillelagh
- Secondary goal is highest effective number of hit points, assuming a well mixed pool of damage sources
Bonus points for:
- Not using UA
- Actually having a use for my Wisdom score besides whacking with Shillelagh
So far I have:
- Hill dwarf for the juicy Con and Wis + free HP
- Go Fighter, archetype Champion for extra attack DPR and heavy armor + shield + armored fighting style
- Take Magic Initiate feat level 1 for Shillelagh + absorb elements
- Pump Wis with ASI
dnd-5e character-creation optimization damage cantrips
dnd-5e character-creation optimization damage cantrips
edited 4 hours ago
V2Blast
27.8k598169
asked 5 hours ago
DonFusiliDonFusili
783413
edited 4 hours ago
V2Blast
27.8k598169
asked 5 hours ago
DonFusiliDonFusili
783413
edited 4 hours ago
V2Blast
27.8k598169
edited 4 hours ago
V2Blast
27.8k598169
edited 4 hours ago
V2Blast
27.8k598169
27.8k598169
asked 5 hours ago
DonFusiliDonFusili
783413
asked 5 hours ago
DonFusiliDonFusili
783413
asked 5 hours ago
DonFusiliDonFusili
783413
783413
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Why the close vote? Question seems clear enough
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– BlueMoon93
3 hours ago
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Why the close vote? Question seems clear enough
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– BlueMoon93
3 hours ago
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1
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Why the close vote? Question seems clear enough
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– BlueMoon93
3 hours ago
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Why the close vote? Question seems clear enough
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Hunter Ranger
Combat-wise, you get:
- Dueling fighting style
- Extra Attack, Hunter's Prey (your pick)
- Spells (like Hunter's Mark)
You also get Favored Enemy, Natural Explorer and non-combat spells, for utility. Assuming you have cast Shillelagh, Hunter's Mark (at level 5, you can do this 6 times a day) and chosen Colossus Slayer, this means you make 3d8+2d6+4+WIS*2 when you land both your attacks on a single-target.
Compared with the Fighter, you lose some AC (medium-armor only), but you may not have disadvantage on Stealth checks, depending on which armor you choose to use. You also lose Second Wind and Action Surge (each once per short rest), and Improved Critical. I haven't done the math for Champion, but I think at level 5 you can out-DPR it as a Hunter Ranger.
answered 2 hours ago
BlueMoon93BlueMoon93
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"You also lose some HP"; Rangers and Fighters both have d10 hit die, so where is this loss coming from? Also, it might be worth making explicit that Shillelagh would have to come from Magic Initiate... or Wood Elf Magic (Xanathar's feat) if the race is Wood Elf (the race also gives +1 WIS).
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– NathanS
1 hour ago
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The damage for 2 hits should include 2d6, as hunter's mark will proc on every hit.
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– Szega
1 hour ago
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Fixed, my bad! Thought rangers had smaller hit die, and forgot about Hunters Mark
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– BlueMoon93
1 hour ago
1
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Wood Elf would open up the U.A. Feat Elven Accuracy, allowing a reroll of an advantage die(later levels).
$endgroup$
– Alk
32 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
As an alternative to a generic anything-with-Extra-Attack-answer:
Draconic Sorcerer 5.
Benefits:
Twinned Green Flame Blade, allowing you to set your stick on fire and bash two people at once for 1d8 (bludgeoning) + 1d8 (fire) + Wis-mod, and if those enemies are adjacent to each other they each take an extra 1d8 + Cha-mod fire.
Draconic Sorcerer gets an increased AC and extra health (stack it with Hill Dwarf to have an unreasonably healthy sorcerer).
Haste will allow you to get another stickbash out every turn, while ensuring your enemies can't flee from your stick.
Shield will give you a ton of survivability to stick around in melee.
The downside of this is a bit of multi-ability-dependency in the build, but there are plenty of sorcerer spells that don't use charisma at all - selecting those (haste, blink, mirror image, blur, etc..) allows you to go all in on the Wisdom-melee style.
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Hunter Ranger
Combat-wise, you get:
- Dueling fighting style
- Extra Attack, Hunter's Prey (your pick)
- Spells (like Hunter's Mark)
You also get Favored Enemy, Natural Explorer and non-combat spells, for utility. Assuming you have cast Shillelagh, Hunter's Mark (at level 5, you can do this 6 times a day) and chosen Colossus Slayer, this means you make 3d8+2d6+4+WIS*2 when you land both your attacks on a single-target.
Compared with the Fighter, you lose some AC (medium-armor only), but you may not have disadvantage on Stealth checks, depending on which armor you choose to use. You also lose Second Wind and Action Surge (each once per short rest), and Improved Critical. I haven't done the math for Champion, but I think at level 5 you can out-DPR it as a Hunter Ranger.
answered 2 hours ago
BlueMoon93BlueMoon93
16.5k1189158
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"You also lose some HP"; Rangers and Fighters both have d10 hit die, so where is this loss coming from? Also, it might be worth making explicit that Shillelagh would have to come from Magic Initiate... or Wood Elf Magic (Xanathar's feat) if the race is Wood Elf (the race also gives +1 WIS).
$endgroup$
– NathanS
1 hour ago
2
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The damage for 2 hits should include 2d6, as hunter's mark will proc on every hit.
$endgroup$
– Szega
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Fixed, my bad! Thought rangers had smaller hit die, and forgot about Hunters Mark
$endgroup$
– BlueMoon93
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
Wood Elf would open up the U.A. Feat Elven Accuracy, allowing a reroll of an advantage die(later levels).
$endgroup$
– Alk
32 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Hunter Ranger
Combat-wise, you get:
- Dueling fighting style
- Extra Attack, Hunter's Prey (your pick)
- Spells (like Hunter's Mark)
You also get Favored Enemy, Natural Explorer and non-combat spells, for utility. Assuming you have cast Shillelagh, Hunter's Mark (at level 5, you can do this 6 times a day) and chosen Colossus Slayer, this means you make 3d8+2d6+4+WIS*2 when you land both your attacks on a single-target.
Compared with the Fighter, you lose some AC (medium-armor only), but you may not have disadvantage on Stealth checks, depending on which armor you choose to use. You also lose Second Wind and Action Surge (each once per short rest), and Improved Critical. I haven't done the math for Champion, but I think at level 5 you can out-DPR it as a Hunter Ranger.
answered 2 hours ago
BlueMoon93BlueMoon93
16.5k1189158
$endgroup$
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$begingroup$
"You also lose some HP"; Rangers and Fighters both have d10 hit die, so where is this loss coming from? Also, it might be worth making explicit that Shillelagh would have to come from Magic Initiate... or Wood Elf Magic (Xanathar's feat) if the race is Wood Elf (the race also gives +1 WIS).
$endgroup$
– NathanS
1 hour ago
2
$begingroup$
The damage for 2 hits should include 2d6, as hunter's mark will proc on every hit.
$endgroup$
– Szega
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Fixed, my bad! Thought rangers had smaller hit die, and forgot about Hunters Mark
$endgroup$
– BlueMoon93
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
Wood Elf would open up the U.A. Feat Elven Accuracy, allowing a reroll of an advantage die(later levels).
$endgroup$
– Alk
32 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Hunter Ranger
Combat-wise, you get:
- Dueling fighting style
- Extra Attack, Hunter's Prey (your pick)
- Spells (like Hunter's Mark)
You also get Favored Enemy, Natural Explorer and non-combat spells, for utility. Assuming you have cast Shillelagh, Hunter's Mark (at level 5, you can do this 6 times a day) and chosen Colossus Slayer, this means you make 3d8+2d6+4+WIS*2 when you land both your attacks on a single-target.
Compared with the Fighter, you lose some AC (medium-armor only), but you may not have disadvantage on Stealth checks, depending on which armor you choose to use. You also lose Second Wind and Action Surge (each once per short rest), and Improved Critical. I haven't done the math for Champion, but I think at level 5 you can out-DPR it as a Hunter Ranger.
answered 2 hours ago
BlueMoon93BlueMoon93
16.5k1189158
$endgroup$
Hunter Ranger
Combat-wise, you get:
- Dueling fighting style
- Extra Attack, Hunter's Prey (your pick)
- Spells (like Hunter's Mark)
You also get Favored Enemy, Natural Explorer and non-combat spells, for utility. Assuming you have cast Shillelagh, Hunter's Mark (at level 5, you can do this 6 times a day) and chosen Colossus Slayer, this means you make 3d8+2d6+4+WIS*2 when you land both your attacks on a single-target.
Compared with the Fighter, you lose some AC (medium-armor only), but you may not have disadvantage on Stealth checks, depending on which armor you choose to use. You also lose Second Wind and Action Surge (each once per short rest), and Improved Critical. I haven't done the math for Champion, but I think at level 5 you can out-DPR it as a Hunter Ranger.
answered 2 hours ago
BlueMoon93BlueMoon93
16.5k1189158
edited 1 hour ago
answered 2 hours ago
BlueMoon93BlueMoon93
16.5k1189158
answered 2 hours ago
BlueMoon93BlueMoon93
16.5k1189158
answered 2 hours ago
BlueMoon93BlueMoon93
16.5k1189158
16.5k1189158
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"You also lose some HP"; Rangers and Fighters both have d10 hit die, so where is this loss coming from? Also, it might be worth making explicit that Shillelagh would have to come from Magic Initiate... or Wood Elf Magic (Xanathar's feat) if the race is Wood Elf (the race also gives +1 WIS).
$endgroup$
– NathanS
1 hour ago
2
$begingroup$
The damage for 2 hits should include 2d6, as hunter's mark will proc on every hit.
$endgroup$
– Szega
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Fixed, my bad! Thought rangers had smaller hit die, and forgot about Hunters Mark
$endgroup$
– BlueMoon93
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
Wood Elf would open up the U.A. Feat Elven Accuracy, allowing a reroll of an advantage die(later levels).
$endgroup$
– Alk
32 mins ago
add a comment |
3
$begingroup$
"You also lose some HP"; Rangers and Fighters both have d10 hit die, so where is this loss coming from? Also, it might be worth making explicit that Shillelagh would have to come from Magic Initiate... or Wood Elf Magic (Xanathar's feat) if the race is Wood Elf (the race also gives +1 WIS).
$endgroup$
– NathanS
1 hour ago
2
$begingroup$
The damage for 2 hits should include 2d6, as hunter's mark will proc on every hit.
$endgroup$
– Szega
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Fixed, my bad! Thought rangers had smaller hit die, and forgot about Hunters Mark
$endgroup$
– BlueMoon93
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
Wood Elf would open up the U.A. Feat Elven Accuracy, allowing a reroll of an advantage die(later levels).
$endgroup$
– Alk
32 mins ago
3
3
$begingroup$
"You also lose some HP"; Rangers and Fighters both have d10 hit die, so where is this loss coming from? Also, it might be worth making explicit that Shillelagh would have to come from Magic Initiate... or Wood Elf Magic (Xanathar's feat) if the race is Wood Elf (the race also gives +1 WIS).
$endgroup$
– NathanS
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
"You also lose some HP"; Rangers and Fighters both have d10 hit die, so where is this loss coming from? Also, it might be worth making explicit that Shillelagh would have to come from Magic Initiate... or Wood Elf Magic (Xanathar's feat) if the race is Wood Elf (the race also gives +1 WIS).
$endgroup$
– NathanS
1 hour ago
2
2
$begingroup$
The damage for 2 hits should include 2d6, as hunter's mark will proc on every hit.
$endgroup$
– Szega
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
The damage for 2 hits should include 2d6, as hunter's mark will proc on every hit.
$endgroup$
– Szega
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Fixed, my bad! Thought rangers had smaller hit die, and forgot about Hunters Mark
$endgroup$
– BlueMoon93
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Fixed, my bad! Thought rangers had smaller hit die, and forgot about Hunters Mark
$endgroup$
– BlueMoon93
1 hour ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Wood Elf would open up the U.A. Feat Elven Accuracy, allowing a reroll of an advantage die(later levels).
$endgroup$
– Alk
32 mins ago
$begingroup$
Wood Elf would open up the U.A. Feat Elven Accuracy, allowing a reroll of an advantage die(later levels).
$endgroup$
– Alk
32 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
As an alternative to a generic anything-with-Extra-Attack-answer:
Draconic Sorcerer 5.
Benefits:
Twinned Green Flame Blade, allowing you to set your stick on fire and bash two people at once for 1d8 (bludgeoning) + 1d8 (fire) + Wis-mod, and if those enemies are adjacent to each other they each take an extra 1d8 + Cha-mod fire.
Draconic Sorcerer gets an increased AC and extra health (stack it with Hill Dwarf to have an unreasonably healthy sorcerer).
Haste will allow you to get another stickbash out every turn, while ensuring your enemies can't flee from your stick.
Shield will give you a ton of survivability to stick around in melee.
The downside of this is a bit of multi-ability-dependency in the build, but there are plenty of sorcerer spells that don't use charisma at all - selecting those (haste, blink, mirror image, blur, etc..) allows you to go all in on the Wisdom-melee style.
answered 24 mins ago
SpeedkatSpeedkat
3,923731
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
As an alternative to a generic anything-with-Extra-Attack-answer:
Draconic Sorcerer 5.
Benefits:
Twinned Green Flame Blade, allowing you to set your stick on fire and bash two people at once for 1d8 (bludgeoning) + 1d8 (fire) + Wis-mod, and if those enemies are adjacent to each other they each take an extra 1d8 + Cha-mod fire.
Draconic Sorcerer gets an increased AC and extra health (stack it with Hill Dwarf to have an unreasonably healthy sorcerer).
Haste will allow you to get another stickbash out every turn, while ensuring your enemies can't flee from your stick.
Shield will give you a ton of survivability to stick around in melee.
The downside of this is a bit of multi-ability-dependency in the build, but there are plenty of sorcerer spells that don't use charisma at all - selecting those (haste, blink, mirror image, blur, etc..) allows you to go all in on the Wisdom-melee style.
answered 24 mins ago
SpeedkatSpeedkat
3,923731
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
As an alternative to a generic anything-with-Extra-Attack-answer:
Draconic Sorcerer 5.
Benefits:
Twinned Green Flame Blade, allowing you to set your stick on fire and bash two people at once for 1d8 (bludgeoning) + 1d8 (fire) + Wis-mod, and if those enemies are adjacent to each other they each take an extra 1d8 + Cha-mod fire.
Draconic Sorcerer gets an increased AC and extra health (stack it with Hill Dwarf to have an unreasonably healthy sorcerer).
Haste will allow you to get another stickbash out every turn, while ensuring your enemies can't flee from your stick.
Shield will give you a ton of survivability to stick around in melee.
The downside of this is a bit of multi-ability-dependency in the build, but there are plenty of sorcerer spells that don't use charisma at all - selecting those (haste, blink, mirror image, blur, etc..) allows you to go all in on the Wisdom-melee style.
answered 24 mins ago
SpeedkatSpeedkat
3,923731
$endgroup$
As an alternative to a generic anything-with-Extra-Attack-answer:
Draconic Sorcerer 5.
Benefits:
Twinned Green Flame Blade, allowing you to set your stick on fire and bash two people at once for 1d8 (bludgeoning) + 1d8 (fire) + Wis-mod, and if those enemies are adjacent to each other they each take an extra 1d8 + Cha-mod fire.
Draconic Sorcerer gets an increased AC and extra health (stack it with Hill Dwarf to have an unreasonably healthy sorcerer).
Haste will allow you to get another stickbash out every turn, while ensuring your enemies can't flee from your stick.
Shield will give you a ton of survivability to stick around in melee.
The downside of this is a bit of multi-ability-dependency in the build, but there are plenty of sorcerer spells that don't use charisma at all - selecting those (haste, blink, mirror image, blur, etc..) allows you to go all in on the Wisdom-melee style.
answered 24 mins ago
SpeedkatSpeedkat
3,923731
answered 24 mins ago
SpeedkatSpeedkat
3,923731
answered 24 mins ago
SpeedkatSpeedkat
3,923731
answered 24 mins ago
SpeedkatSpeedkat
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Why the close vote? Question seems clear enough
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– BlueMoon93
3 hours ago