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Throughout the Harry Potter series, several new topics, and ideas are introduced in each new book. For example, in the third year, J.K. Rowling reveals several new pieces of information, who Sirius Black is, and the Hogsmeade visits.




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Stan had unfurled a copy of the Daily Prophet and was now reading with his tongue between his teeth. A large photograph of a sunken-faced man with long, matted hair blinked slowly at Harry from the front page. He looked strangely familiar.
"That man!" Harry said, forgetting his troubles for a moment. "He was on the Muggle news!" Stan turned to the front page and chuckled. "Sirius Black," he said nodding...




Harry, Ron, and Hermione do not hear anything about these two things when they are in their first and second years at Hogwarts. This seems very unlikely, as Fred and George would have told Ron about Hogsmeade. Also, Harry would have heard about Sirius from many people, owing to his supposed connection with Voldemort. Why don't Harry, Ron, and Hermione notice any of these things in their first and second years, why don't they hear about them?










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  • I'm flagging as too broad only because you have 2 completely seperate questions that you linked together, please narrow it to one of those: i.e why idn't Ron know about Hogsmeade or something of the like.

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Throughout the Harry Potter series, several new topics, and ideas are introduced in each new book. For example, in the third year, J.K. Rowling reveals several new pieces of information, who Sirius Black is, and the Hogsmeade visits.




Third years are allowed to visit the village of Hogsmeade on certain weekends. Please give the enclosed permission to your parent or guardian to sign.




Also,




Stan had unfurled a copy of the Daily Prophet and was now reading with his tongue between his teeth. A large photograph of a sunken-faced man with long, matted hair blinked slowly at Harry from the front page. He looked strangely familiar.
"That man!" Harry said, forgetting his troubles for a moment. "He was on the Muggle news!" Stan turned to the front page and chuckled. "Sirius Black," he said nodding...




Harry, Ron, and Hermione do not hear anything about these two things when they are in their first and second years at Hogwarts. This seems very unlikely, as Fred and George would have told Ron about Hogsmeade. Also, Harry would have heard about Sirius from many people, owing to his supposed connection with Voldemort. Why don't Harry, Ron, and Hermione notice any of these things in their first and second years, why don't they hear about them?










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  • I'm flagging as too broad only because you have 2 completely seperate questions that you linked together, please narrow it to one of those: i.e why idn't Ron know about Hogsmeade or something of the like.

    – Niffler
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Throughout the Harry Potter series, several new topics, and ideas are introduced in each new book. For example, in the third year, J.K. Rowling reveals several new pieces of information, who Sirius Black is, and the Hogsmeade visits.




Third years are allowed to visit the village of Hogsmeade on certain weekends. Please give the enclosed permission to your parent or guardian to sign.




Also,




Stan had unfurled a copy of the Daily Prophet and was now reading with his tongue between his teeth. A large photograph of a sunken-faced man with long, matted hair blinked slowly at Harry from the front page. He looked strangely familiar.
"That man!" Harry said, forgetting his troubles for a moment. "He was on the Muggle news!" Stan turned to the front page and chuckled. "Sirius Black," he said nodding...




Harry, Ron, and Hermione do not hear anything about these two things when they are in their first and second years at Hogwarts. This seems very unlikely, as Fred and George would have told Ron about Hogsmeade. Also, Harry would have heard about Sirius from many people, owing to his supposed connection with Voldemort. Why don't Harry, Ron, and Hermione notice any of these things in their first and second years, why don't they hear about them?










share|improve this question
















Throughout the Harry Potter series, several new topics, and ideas are introduced in each new book. For example, in the third year, J.K. Rowling reveals several new pieces of information, who Sirius Black is, and the Hogsmeade visits.




Third years are allowed to visit the village of Hogsmeade on certain weekends. Please give the enclosed permission to your parent or guardian to sign.




Also,




Stan had unfurled a copy of the Daily Prophet and was now reading with his tongue between his teeth. A large photograph of a sunken-faced man with long, matted hair blinked slowly at Harry from the front page. He looked strangely familiar.
"That man!" Harry said, forgetting his troubles for a moment. "He was on the Muggle news!" Stan turned to the front page and chuckled. "Sirius Black," he said nodding...




Harry, Ron, and Hermione do not hear anything about these two things when they are in their first and second years at Hogwarts. This seems very unlikely, as Fred and George would have told Ron about Hogsmeade. Also, Harry would have heard about Sirius from many people, owing to his supposed connection with Voldemort. Why don't Harry, Ron, and Hermione notice any of these things in their first and second years, why don't they hear about them?







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  • I'm flagging as too broad only because you have 2 completely seperate questions that you linked together, please narrow it to one of those: i.e why idn't Ron know about Hogsmeade or something of the like.

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  • I'm flagging as too broad only because you have 2 completely seperate questions that you linked together, please narrow it to one of those: i.e why idn't Ron know about Hogsmeade or something of the like.

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I'm flagging as too broad only because you have 2 completely seperate questions that you linked together, please narrow it to one of those: i.e why idn't Ron know about Hogsmeade or something of the like.

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I'm flagging as too broad only because you have 2 completely seperate questions that you linked together, please narrow it to one of those: i.e why idn't Ron know about Hogsmeade or something of the like.

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There is a principle in writing called the "Law of Conservation of Detail" which holds that anything in the text should only be discussed if it is relevant to the story at hand. Adding extraneous detail on things that are not immediately relevant can confuse the reader, bog down the pace of the text, or just waste time. Instead, the text should dedicate the most words to the most important things and gloss over or entirely skip details that aren't relevant. In this case, it's likely that the characters did know about the Hogsmeade visits from school announcements or personal connections, but since they weren't going to be attending these events until several years later the characters didn't pay much attention and the text did not mention them in detail. This is just a basic principle of good storytelling.



Regarding the Sirius Black example, Harry was only 11 years old in his first year. The fact that the older people in his life did not talk about the man who was presumed to have murdered his parents is totally understandable. It's only when he escapes and presents a possible danger that Arthur Weasley informs him. Again, it's a matter of just not being relevant to Harry.






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  • It is relevant to Harry...They think that he is the reason that his parents died. Basically his whole backstory

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  • The issue is, why does Harry need to know the gory details when he's just a little kid? Sirius was serving a life sentence in a prison that nobody has ever escaped from, so it's not like he's going to be a threat to Harry. Why traumatize an 11-year old kid by telling him stories about a murderer who betrayed his parents? Couldn't it at least wait until he's like 15 or 16?

    – Kyle Doyle
    Feb 27 at 0:13






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    That was the supposed mistake that Dumbledore made that caused Sirius to die in the end.

    – Ginge
    Feb 27 at 1:07











  • Sirius Black was supposedly a big part of the Potters deaths...He would have heard about it from someone

    – Ginge
    Mar 2 at 16:59











  • Likewise, with the hogsmeade example (it being mentioned to Ron by the twins), well, remember the poem in the first book, that was supposed to be a spell - there is plenty proof Ron is...not that observant... about some things. The twins or others might've mentioned it around him or to him but if it didn't click...

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There is a principle in writing called the "Law of Conservation of Detail" which holds that anything in the text should only be discussed if it is relevant to the story at hand. Adding extraneous detail on things that are not immediately relevant can confuse the reader, bog down the pace of the text, or just waste time. Instead, the text should dedicate the most words to the most important things and gloss over or entirely skip details that aren't relevant. In this case, it's likely that the characters did know about the Hogsmeade visits from school announcements or personal connections, but since they weren't going to be attending these events until several years later the characters didn't pay much attention and the text did not mention them in detail. This is just a basic principle of good storytelling.



Regarding the Sirius Black example, Harry was only 11 years old in his first year. The fact that the older people in his life did not talk about the man who was presumed to have murdered his parents is totally understandable. It's only when he escapes and presents a possible danger that Arthur Weasley informs him. Again, it's a matter of just not being relevant to Harry.






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  • It is relevant to Harry...They think that he is the reason that his parents died. Basically his whole backstory

    – Ginge
    Feb 27 at 0:08











  • The issue is, why does Harry need to know the gory details when he's just a little kid? Sirius was serving a life sentence in a prison that nobody has ever escaped from, so it's not like he's going to be a threat to Harry. Why traumatize an 11-year old kid by telling him stories about a murderer who betrayed his parents? Couldn't it at least wait until he's like 15 or 16?

    – Kyle Doyle
    Feb 27 at 0:13






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    That was the supposed mistake that Dumbledore made that caused Sirius to die in the end.

    – Ginge
    Feb 27 at 1:07











  • Sirius Black was supposedly a big part of the Potters deaths...He would have heard about it from someone

    – Ginge
    Mar 2 at 16:59











  • Likewise, with the hogsmeade example (it being mentioned to Ron by the twins), well, remember the poem in the first book, that was supposed to be a spell - there is plenty proof Ron is...not that observant... about some things. The twins or others might've mentioned it around him or to him but if it didn't click...

    – Megha
    Mar 3 at 3:28
















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There is a principle in writing called the "Law of Conservation of Detail" which holds that anything in the text should only be discussed if it is relevant to the story at hand. Adding extraneous detail on things that are not immediately relevant can confuse the reader, bog down the pace of the text, or just waste time. Instead, the text should dedicate the most words to the most important things and gloss over or entirely skip details that aren't relevant. In this case, it's likely that the characters did know about the Hogsmeade visits from school announcements or personal connections, but since they weren't going to be attending these events until several years later the characters didn't pay much attention and the text did not mention them in detail. This is just a basic principle of good storytelling.



Regarding the Sirius Black example, Harry was only 11 years old in his first year. The fact that the older people in his life did not talk about the man who was presumed to have murdered his parents is totally understandable. It's only when he escapes and presents a possible danger that Arthur Weasley informs him. Again, it's a matter of just not being relevant to Harry.






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  • It is relevant to Harry...They think that he is the reason that his parents died. Basically his whole backstory

    – Ginge
    Feb 27 at 0:08











  • The issue is, why does Harry need to know the gory details when he's just a little kid? Sirius was serving a life sentence in a prison that nobody has ever escaped from, so it's not like he's going to be a threat to Harry. Why traumatize an 11-year old kid by telling him stories about a murderer who betrayed his parents? Couldn't it at least wait until he's like 15 or 16?

    – Kyle Doyle
    Feb 27 at 0:13






  • 1





    That was the supposed mistake that Dumbledore made that caused Sirius to die in the end.

    – Ginge
    Feb 27 at 1:07











  • Sirius Black was supposedly a big part of the Potters deaths...He would have heard about it from someone

    – Ginge
    Mar 2 at 16:59











  • Likewise, with the hogsmeade example (it being mentioned to Ron by the twins), well, remember the poem in the first book, that was supposed to be a spell - there is plenty proof Ron is...not that observant... about some things. The twins or others might've mentioned it around him or to him but if it didn't click...

    – Megha
    Mar 3 at 3:28














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9







There is a principle in writing called the "Law of Conservation of Detail" which holds that anything in the text should only be discussed if it is relevant to the story at hand. Adding extraneous detail on things that are not immediately relevant can confuse the reader, bog down the pace of the text, or just waste time. Instead, the text should dedicate the most words to the most important things and gloss over or entirely skip details that aren't relevant. In this case, it's likely that the characters did know about the Hogsmeade visits from school announcements or personal connections, but since they weren't going to be attending these events until several years later the characters didn't pay much attention and the text did not mention them in detail. This is just a basic principle of good storytelling.



Regarding the Sirius Black example, Harry was only 11 years old in his first year. The fact that the older people in his life did not talk about the man who was presumed to have murdered his parents is totally understandable. It's only when he escapes and presents a possible danger that Arthur Weasley informs him. Again, it's a matter of just not being relevant to Harry.






share|improve this answer













There is a principle in writing called the "Law of Conservation of Detail" which holds that anything in the text should only be discussed if it is relevant to the story at hand. Adding extraneous detail on things that are not immediately relevant can confuse the reader, bog down the pace of the text, or just waste time. Instead, the text should dedicate the most words to the most important things and gloss over or entirely skip details that aren't relevant. In this case, it's likely that the characters did know about the Hogsmeade visits from school announcements or personal connections, but since they weren't going to be attending these events until several years later the characters didn't pay much attention and the text did not mention them in detail. This is just a basic principle of good storytelling.



Regarding the Sirius Black example, Harry was only 11 years old in his first year. The fact that the older people in his life did not talk about the man who was presumed to have murdered his parents is totally understandable. It's only when he escapes and presents a possible danger that Arthur Weasley informs him. Again, it's a matter of just not being relevant to Harry.







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  • It is relevant to Harry...They think that he is the reason that his parents died. Basically his whole backstory

    – Ginge
    Feb 27 at 0:08











  • The issue is, why does Harry need to know the gory details when he's just a little kid? Sirius was serving a life sentence in a prison that nobody has ever escaped from, so it's not like he's going to be a threat to Harry. Why traumatize an 11-year old kid by telling him stories about a murderer who betrayed his parents? Couldn't it at least wait until he's like 15 or 16?

    – Kyle Doyle
    Feb 27 at 0:13






  • 1





    That was the supposed mistake that Dumbledore made that caused Sirius to die in the end.

    – Ginge
    Feb 27 at 1:07











  • Sirius Black was supposedly a big part of the Potters deaths...He would have heard about it from someone

    – Ginge
    Mar 2 at 16:59











  • Likewise, with the hogsmeade example (it being mentioned to Ron by the twins), well, remember the poem in the first book, that was supposed to be a spell - there is plenty proof Ron is...not that observant... about some things. The twins or others might've mentioned it around him or to him but if it didn't click...

    – Megha
    Mar 3 at 3:28



















  • It is relevant to Harry...They think that he is the reason that his parents died. Basically his whole backstory

    – Ginge
    Feb 27 at 0:08











  • The issue is, why does Harry need to know the gory details when he's just a little kid? Sirius was serving a life sentence in a prison that nobody has ever escaped from, so it's not like he's going to be a threat to Harry. Why traumatize an 11-year old kid by telling him stories about a murderer who betrayed his parents? Couldn't it at least wait until he's like 15 or 16?

    – Kyle Doyle
    Feb 27 at 0:13






  • 1





    That was the supposed mistake that Dumbledore made that caused Sirius to die in the end.

    – Ginge
    Feb 27 at 1:07











  • Sirius Black was supposedly a big part of the Potters deaths...He would have heard about it from someone

    – Ginge
    Mar 2 at 16:59











  • Likewise, with the hogsmeade example (it being mentioned to Ron by the twins), well, remember the poem in the first book, that was supposed to be a spell - there is plenty proof Ron is...not that observant... about some things. The twins or others might've mentioned it around him or to him but if it didn't click...

    – Megha
    Mar 3 at 3:28

















It is relevant to Harry...They think that he is the reason that his parents died. Basically his whole backstory

– Ginge
Feb 27 at 0:08





It is relevant to Harry...They think that he is the reason that his parents died. Basically his whole backstory

– Ginge
Feb 27 at 0:08













The issue is, why does Harry need to know the gory details when he's just a little kid? Sirius was serving a life sentence in a prison that nobody has ever escaped from, so it's not like he's going to be a threat to Harry. Why traumatize an 11-year old kid by telling him stories about a murderer who betrayed his parents? Couldn't it at least wait until he's like 15 or 16?

– Kyle Doyle
Feb 27 at 0:13





The issue is, why does Harry need to know the gory details when he's just a little kid? Sirius was serving a life sentence in a prison that nobody has ever escaped from, so it's not like he's going to be a threat to Harry. Why traumatize an 11-year old kid by telling him stories about a murderer who betrayed his parents? Couldn't it at least wait until he's like 15 or 16?

– Kyle Doyle
Feb 27 at 0:13




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That was the supposed mistake that Dumbledore made that caused Sirius to die in the end.

– Ginge
Feb 27 at 1:07





That was the supposed mistake that Dumbledore made that caused Sirius to die in the end.

– Ginge
Feb 27 at 1:07













Sirius Black was supposedly a big part of the Potters deaths...He would have heard about it from someone

– Ginge
Mar 2 at 16:59





Sirius Black was supposedly a big part of the Potters deaths...He would have heard about it from someone

– Ginge
Mar 2 at 16:59













Likewise, with the hogsmeade example (it being mentioned to Ron by the twins), well, remember the poem in the first book, that was supposed to be a spell - there is plenty proof Ron is...not that observant... about some things. The twins or others might've mentioned it around him or to him but if it didn't click...

– Megha
Mar 3 at 3:28





Likewise, with the hogsmeade example (it being mentioned to Ron by the twins), well, remember the poem in the first book, that was supposed to be a spell - there is plenty proof Ron is...not that observant... about some things. The twins or others might've mentioned it around him or to him but if it didn't click...

– Megha
Mar 3 at 3:28


















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