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The whole point of building a castle is that it is an excellent defensive stronghold: the attackers need to climb walls, and the defenders have the high ground and can defend very efficiently using archers, oil, etc.
So what is the reason why the army of the living lined up just outside Winterfell in S08E03, rather than staying put inside the walls and fight as defenders in a siege? It would seem a strategically superior strategy, especially since they knew that the Night King had reasons to attack Bran specifically.
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The whole point of building a castle is that it is an excellent defensive stronghold: the attackers need to climb walls, and the defenders have the high ground and can defend very efficiently using archers, oil, etc.
So what is the reason why the army of the living lined up just outside Winterfell in S08E03, rather than staying put inside the walls and fight as defenders in a siege? It would seem a strategically superior strategy, especially since they knew that the Night King had reasons to attack Bran specifically.
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An army that size wouldn't fit inside Winterfell.
– Paulie_D
16 mins ago
by the same logic, the logical way to attack from the side of Night King would be a siege. Too much army for too few food, so with a litle patience, army would be decimated before an attack
– Kepotx
16 mins ago
@Paulie_D that dosn't mean you should put everyone outside the castle. Man on top of wall are way more valuable than in the open field. put the maximum on the walls, keep the others as reserve.
– Kepotx
14 mins ago
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The whole point of building a castle is that it is an excellent defensive stronghold: the attackers need to climb walls, and the defenders have the high ground and can defend very efficiently using archers, oil, etc.
So what is the reason why the army of the living lined up just outside Winterfell in S08E03, rather than staying put inside the walls and fight as defenders in a siege? It would seem a strategically superior strategy, especially since they knew that the Night King had reasons to attack Bran specifically.
game-of-thrones
asked 24 mins ago
Federico PoloniFederico Poloni
249111
The whole point of building a castle is that it is an excellent defensive stronghold: the attackers need to climb walls, and the defenders have the high ground and can defend very efficiently using archers, oil, etc.
So what is the reason why the army of the living lined up just outside Winterfell in S08E03, rather than staying put inside the walls and fight as defenders in a siege? It would seem a strategically superior strategy, especially since they knew that the Night King had reasons to attack Bran specifically.
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An army that size wouldn't fit inside Winterfell.
– Paulie_D
16 mins ago
by the same logic, the logical way to attack from the side of Night King would be a siege. Too much army for too few food, so with a litle patience, army would be decimated before an attack
– Kepotx
16 mins ago
@Paulie_D that dosn't mean you should put everyone outside the castle. Man on top of wall are way more valuable than in the open field. put the maximum on the walls, keep the others as reserve.
– Kepotx
14 mins ago
add a comment |
1
An army that size wouldn't fit inside Winterfell.
– Paulie_D
16 mins ago
by the same logic, the logical way to attack from the side of Night King would be a siege. Too much army for too few food, so with a litle patience, army would be decimated before an attack
– Kepotx
16 mins ago
@Paulie_D that dosn't mean you should put everyone outside the castle. Man on top of wall are way more valuable than in the open field. put the maximum on the walls, keep the others as reserve.
– Kepotx
14 mins ago
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1
An army that size wouldn't fit inside Winterfell.
– Paulie_D
16 mins ago
An army that size wouldn't fit inside Winterfell.
– Paulie_D
16 mins ago
by the same logic, the logical way to attack from the side of Night King would be a siege. Too much army for too few food, so with a litle patience, army would be decimated before an attack
– Kepotx
16 mins ago
by the same logic, the logical way to attack from the side of Night King would be a siege. Too much army for too few food, so with a litle patience, army would be decimated before an attack
– Kepotx
16 mins ago
@Paulie_D that dosn't mean you should put everyone outside the castle. Man on top of wall are way more valuable than in the open field. put the maximum on the walls, keep the others as reserve.
– Kepotx
14 mins ago
@Paulie_D that dosn't mean you should put everyone outside the castle. Man on top of wall are way more valuable than in the open field. put the maximum on the walls, keep the others as reserve.
– Kepotx
14 mins ago
add a comment |
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throughout history all major battles involving castles have taken place in much the same way. Yes a castle is a defensible position but no one has ever won a siege by staying inside a castle. The attackers can surround the castle and use the benefit of time to wear the defenders down if this happens unless the defenders know another army is approaching to break the siege they will attempt to sally out of the castle to try and win the battle.
Now with the army of the dead the chances of surviving a siege are even worse the bodies can just pile up against the walls. Instead you need to try and thin the army out and hold it off away from the castle for as long as possible. Plus there is only so much space in a castle to put your troops. If everyone is crammed in then the defenders can’t fight effectively. Looking at the size of the defending army it would have filled wonterfell but you still would have only got so many troops on the walls to repel attacker’s.
answered 11 mins ago
Richard CRichard C
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"no one has ever won a siege by staying inside a castle" let me disagree. Not all sieges were successful, and you usually need much more man to assiege a castle than defend it. As it's way more costly to assiege than defend, play on the clock was a common strategy.
– Kepotx
8 mins ago
Sometimes the attacking army has lost because it ran out of time, money or resources yes, but in nearly all cases Sieges have been broken by an army coming to support the defenders routing the attacker’s outside the castle. This was never going to happen here as Cersei was not going to ride to relieve winterfell, also in a war of attrition the army of the dead would always win.
– Richard C
5 mins ago
also, while sorties was indeed done to try to destroy assieging forces, when you know you will be attacked, you stay inside the walls, not outside.
– Kepotx
2 mins ago
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throughout history all major battles involving castles have taken place in much the same way. Yes a castle is a defensible position but no one has ever won a siege by staying inside a castle. The attackers can surround the castle and use the benefit of time to wear the defenders down if this happens unless the defenders know another army is approaching to break the siege they will attempt to sally out of the castle to try and win the battle.
Now with the army of the dead the chances of surviving a siege are even worse the bodies can just pile up against the walls. Instead you need to try and thin the army out and hold it off away from the castle for as long as possible. Plus there is only so much space in a castle to put your troops. If everyone is crammed in then the defenders can’t fight effectively. Looking at the size of the defending army it would have filled wonterfell but you still would have only got so many troops on the walls to repel attacker’s.
answered 11 mins ago
Richard CRichard C
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"no one has ever won a siege by staying inside a castle" let me disagree. Not all sieges were successful, and you usually need much more man to assiege a castle than defend it. As it's way more costly to assiege than defend, play on the clock was a common strategy.
– Kepotx
8 mins ago
Sometimes the attacking army has lost because it ran out of time, money or resources yes, but in nearly all cases Sieges have been broken by an army coming to support the defenders routing the attacker’s outside the castle. This was never going to happen here as Cersei was not going to ride to relieve winterfell, also in a war of attrition the army of the dead would always win.
– Richard C
5 mins ago
also, while sorties was indeed done to try to destroy assieging forces, when you know you will be attacked, you stay inside the walls, not outside.
– Kepotx
2 mins ago
add a comment |
throughout history all major battles involving castles have taken place in much the same way. Yes a castle is a defensible position but no one has ever won a siege by staying inside a castle. The attackers can surround the castle and use the benefit of time to wear the defenders down if this happens unless the defenders know another army is approaching to break the siege they will attempt to sally out of the castle to try and win the battle.
Now with the army of the dead the chances of surviving a siege are even worse the bodies can just pile up against the walls. Instead you need to try and thin the army out and hold it off away from the castle for as long as possible. Plus there is only so much space in a castle to put your troops. If everyone is crammed in then the defenders can’t fight effectively. Looking at the size of the defending army it would have filled wonterfell but you still would have only got so many troops on the walls to repel attacker’s.
answered 11 mins ago
Richard CRichard C
4,80711448
1
"no one has ever won a siege by staying inside a castle" let me disagree. Not all sieges were successful, and you usually need much more man to assiege a castle than defend it. As it's way more costly to assiege than defend, play on the clock was a common strategy.
– Kepotx
8 mins ago
Sometimes the attacking army has lost because it ran out of time, money or resources yes, but in nearly all cases Sieges have been broken by an army coming to support the defenders routing the attacker’s outside the castle. This was never going to happen here as Cersei was not going to ride to relieve winterfell, also in a war of attrition the army of the dead would always win.
– Richard C
5 mins ago
also, while sorties was indeed done to try to destroy assieging forces, when you know you will be attacked, you stay inside the walls, not outside.
– Kepotx
2 mins ago
add a comment |
throughout history all major battles involving castles have taken place in much the same way. Yes a castle is a defensible position but no one has ever won a siege by staying inside a castle. The attackers can surround the castle and use the benefit of time to wear the defenders down if this happens unless the defenders know another army is approaching to break the siege they will attempt to sally out of the castle to try and win the battle.
Now with the army of the dead the chances of surviving a siege are even worse the bodies can just pile up against the walls. Instead you need to try and thin the army out and hold it off away from the castle for as long as possible. Plus there is only so much space in a castle to put your troops. If everyone is crammed in then the defenders can’t fight effectively. Looking at the size of the defending army it would have filled wonterfell but you still would have only got so many troops on the walls to repel attacker’s.
answered 11 mins ago
Richard CRichard C
4,80711448
throughout history all major battles involving castles have taken place in much the same way. Yes a castle is a defensible position but no one has ever won a siege by staying inside a castle. The attackers can surround the castle and use the benefit of time to wear the defenders down if this happens unless the defenders know another army is approaching to break the siege they will attempt to sally out of the castle to try and win the battle.
Now with the army of the dead the chances of surviving a siege are even worse the bodies can just pile up against the walls. Instead you need to try and thin the army out and hold it off away from the castle for as long as possible. Plus there is only so much space in a castle to put your troops. If everyone is crammed in then the defenders can’t fight effectively. Looking at the size of the defending army it would have filled wonterfell but you still would have only got so many troops on the walls to repel attacker’s.
answered 11 mins ago
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4,80711448
answered 11 mins ago
Richard CRichard C
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answered 11 mins ago
Richard CRichard C
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answered 11 mins ago
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"no one has ever won a siege by staying inside a castle" let me disagree. Not all sieges were successful, and you usually need much more man to assiege a castle than defend it. As it's way more costly to assiege than defend, play on the clock was a common strategy.
– Kepotx
8 mins ago
Sometimes the attacking army has lost because it ran out of time, money or resources yes, but in nearly all cases Sieges have been broken by an army coming to support the defenders routing the attacker’s outside the castle. This was never going to happen here as Cersei was not going to ride to relieve winterfell, also in a war of attrition the army of the dead would always win.
– Richard C
5 mins ago
also, while sorties was indeed done to try to destroy assieging forces, when you know you will be attacked, you stay inside the walls, not outside.
– Kepotx
2 mins ago
add a comment |
1
"no one has ever won a siege by staying inside a castle" let me disagree. Not all sieges were successful, and you usually need much more man to assiege a castle than defend it. As it's way more costly to assiege than defend, play on the clock was a common strategy.
– Kepotx
8 mins ago
Sometimes the attacking army has lost because it ran out of time, money or resources yes, but in nearly all cases Sieges have been broken by an army coming to support the defenders routing the attacker’s outside the castle. This was never going to happen here as Cersei was not going to ride to relieve winterfell, also in a war of attrition the army of the dead would always win.
– Richard C
5 mins ago
also, while sorties was indeed done to try to destroy assieging forces, when you know you will be attacked, you stay inside the walls, not outside.
– Kepotx
2 mins ago
1
1
"no one has ever won a siege by staying inside a castle" let me disagree. Not all sieges were successful, and you usually need much more man to assiege a castle than defend it. As it's way more costly to assiege than defend, play on the clock was a common strategy.
– Kepotx
8 mins ago
"no one has ever won a siege by staying inside a castle" let me disagree. Not all sieges were successful, and you usually need much more man to assiege a castle than defend it. As it's way more costly to assiege than defend, play on the clock was a common strategy.
– Kepotx
8 mins ago
Sometimes the attacking army has lost because it ran out of time, money or resources yes, but in nearly all cases Sieges have been broken by an army coming to support the defenders routing the attacker’s outside the castle. This was never going to happen here as Cersei was not going to ride to relieve winterfell, also in a war of attrition the army of the dead would always win.
– Richard C
5 mins ago
Sometimes the attacking army has lost because it ran out of time, money or resources yes, but in nearly all cases Sieges have been broken by an army coming to support the defenders routing the attacker’s outside the castle. This was never going to happen here as Cersei was not going to ride to relieve winterfell, also in a war of attrition the army of the dead would always win.
– Richard C
5 mins ago
also, while sorties was indeed done to try to destroy assieging forces, when you know you will be attacked, you stay inside the walls, not outside.
– Kepotx
2 mins ago
also, while sorties was indeed done to try to destroy assieging forces, when you know you will be attacked, you stay inside the walls, not outside.
– Kepotx
2 mins ago
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An army that size wouldn't fit inside Winterfell.
– Paulie_D
16 mins ago
by the same logic, the logical way to attack from the side of Night King would be a siege. Too much army for too few food, so with a litle patience, army would be decimated before an attack
– Kepotx
16 mins ago
@Paulie_D that dosn't mean you should put everyone outside the castle. Man on top of wall are way more valuable than in the open field. put the maximum on the walls, keep the others as reserve.
– Kepotx
14 mins ago