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I caught several of my students plagiarizing. Could it be my fault as a teacher?


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I have been teaching for three years now. This year, for the first time, I caught multiple students in a class (out of 50) either handing in the task of a colleague or copying the majority of someones work.



Now I've started to question myself whether this could be on me in any way. Could I have caused this behaviour by something I said? Am I getting paranoid, or was this just a coincidence or the usual abnormal behaviour of some students?



For more context: All students in this class are going to be teachers. In the first lecture I mention some e-learning resources including the online library of all master's thesis of the faculty.










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  • @Anonymous Physicist You mean splitting it into two one about the general nature and one how to talk to someone accused of cheating?

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    It makes me sad that this question can even exist. What has happened to the world that means that people can now get all the way through school and be adults who don't know that it's wrong to pretend that somebody else's work is their own? How long before we are also expected to tell our students not to steal from each other or fight in the aisles? By the way, if you murder somebody during class, you will score zero. And then we get the Academia SE questions along the lines of "My professor said we can't murder people in class. Is it still murder if they were being really annoying?"

    – David Richerby
    6 hours ago






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    @DavidRicherby Nothing has happened to the world. We’ve always had plagiarism, we’ve just gotten better at catching it (TurnItIn, etc) and plagiarists started an arms race - but the underlying motives are nothing new. Save the inter-generational dissing for reactionary news outlets, not academia.

    – Dai
    3 hours ago








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    "In the first lecture I mention some e-learning resources including the online library of all master's thesis of the faculty." - I don't think this is particularly relevant to your title question but it strikes me as odd that you've included it - can you explain?

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    16 mins ago
















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I have been teaching for three years now. This year, for the first time, I caught multiple students in a class (out of 50) either handing in the task of a colleague or copying the majority of someones work.



Now I've started to question myself whether this could be on me in any way. Could I have caused this behaviour by something I said? Am I getting paranoid, or was this just a coincidence or the usual abnormal behaviour of some students?



For more context: All students in this class are going to be teachers. In the first lecture I mention some e-learning resources including the online library of all master's thesis of the faculty.










share|improve this question

























  • Could you edit this to be one question?

    – Anonymous Physicist
    10 hours ago











  • @Anonymous Physicist You mean splitting it into two one about the general nature and one how to talk to someone accused of cheating?

    – user2912328
    10 hours ago








  • 10





    It makes me sad that this question can even exist. What has happened to the world that means that people can now get all the way through school and be adults who don't know that it's wrong to pretend that somebody else's work is their own? How long before we are also expected to tell our students not to steal from each other or fight in the aisles? By the way, if you murder somebody during class, you will score zero. And then we get the Academia SE questions along the lines of "My professor said we can't murder people in class. Is it still murder if they were being really annoying?"

    – David Richerby
    6 hours ago






  • 2





    @DavidRicherby Nothing has happened to the world. We’ve always had plagiarism, we’ve just gotten better at catching it (TurnItIn, etc) and plagiarists started an arms race - but the underlying motives are nothing new. Save the inter-generational dissing for reactionary news outlets, not academia.

    – Dai
    3 hours ago








  • 1





    "In the first lecture I mention some e-learning resources including the online library of all master's thesis of the faculty." - I don't think this is particularly relevant to your title question but it strikes me as odd that you've included it - can you explain?

    – Bryan Krause
    16 mins ago














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I have been teaching for three years now. This year, for the first time, I caught multiple students in a class (out of 50) either handing in the task of a colleague or copying the majority of someones work.



Now I've started to question myself whether this could be on me in any way. Could I have caused this behaviour by something I said? Am I getting paranoid, or was this just a coincidence or the usual abnormal behaviour of some students?



For more context: All students in this class are going to be teachers. In the first lecture I mention some e-learning resources including the online library of all master's thesis of the faculty.










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I have been teaching for three years now. This year, for the first time, I caught multiple students in a class (out of 50) either handing in the task of a colleague or copying the majority of someones work.



Now I've started to question myself whether this could be on me in any way. Could I have caused this behaviour by something I said? Am I getting paranoid, or was this just a coincidence or the usual abnormal behaviour of some students?



For more context: All students in this class are going to be teachers. In the first lecture I mention some e-learning resources including the online library of all master's thesis of the faculty.







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  • Could you edit this to be one question?

    – Anonymous Physicist
    10 hours ago











  • @Anonymous Physicist You mean splitting it into two one about the general nature and one how to talk to someone accused of cheating?

    – user2912328
    10 hours ago








  • 10





    It makes me sad that this question can even exist. What has happened to the world that means that people can now get all the way through school and be adults who don't know that it's wrong to pretend that somebody else's work is their own? How long before we are also expected to tell our students not to steal from each other or fight in the aisles? By the way, if you murder somebody during class, you will score zero. And then we get the Academia SE questions along the lines of "My professor said we can't murder people in class. Is it still murder if they were being really annoying?"

    – David Richerby
    6 hours ago






  • 2





    @DavidRicherby Nothing has happened to the world. We’ve always had plagiarism, we’ve just gotten better at catching it (TurnItIn, etc) and plagiarists started an arms race - but the underlying motives are nothing new. Save the inter-generational dissing for reactionary news outlets, not academia.

    – Dai
    3 hours ago








  • 1





    "In the first lecture I mention some e-learning resources including the online library of all master's thesis of the faculty." - I don't think this is particularly relevant to your title question but it strikes me as odd that you've included it - can you explain?

    – Bryan Krause
    16 mins ago



















  • Could you edit this to be one question?

    – Anonymous Physicist
    10 hours ago











  • @Anonymous Physicist You mean splitting it into two one about the general nature and one how to talk to someone accused of cheating?

    – user2912328
    10 hours ago








  • 10





    It makes me sad that this question can even exist. What has happened to the world that means that people can now get all the way through school and be adults who don't know that it's wrong to pretend that somebody else's work is their own? How long before we are also expected to tell our students not to steal from each other or fight in the aisles? By the way, if you murder somebody during class, you will score zero. And then we get the Academia SE questions along the lines of "My professor said we can't murder people in class. Is it still murder if they were being really annoying?"

    – David Richerby
    6 hours ago






  • 2





    @DavidRicherby Nothing has happened to the world. We’ve always had plagiarism, we’ve just gotten better at catching it (TurnItIn, etc) and plagiarists started an arms race - but the underlying motives are nothing new. Save the inter-generational dissing for reactionary news outlets, not academia.

    – Dai
    3 hours ago








  • 1





    "In the first lecture I mention some e-learning resources including the online library of all master's thesis of the faculty." - I don't think this is particularly relevant to your title question but it strikes me as odd that you've included it - can you explain?

    – Bryan Krause
    16 mins ago

















Could you edit this to be one question?

– Anonymous Physicist
10 hours ago





Could you edit this to be one question?

– Anonymous Physicist
10 hours ago













@Anonymous Physicist You mean splitting it into two one about the general nature and one how to talk to someone accused of cheating?

– user2912328
10 hours ago







@Anonymous Physicist You mean splitting it into two one about the general nature and one how to talk to someone accused of cheating?

– user2912328
10 hours ago






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It makes me sad that this question can even exist. What has happened to the world that means that people can now get all the way through school and be adults who don't know that it's wrong to pretend that somebody else's work is their own? How long before we are also expected to tell our students not to steal from each other or fight in the aisles? By the way, if you murder somebody during class, you will score zero. And then we get the Academia SE questions along the lines of "My professor said we can't murder people in class. Is it still murder if they were being really annoying?"

– David Richerby
6 hours ago





It makes me sad that this question can even exist. What has happened to the world that means that people can now get all the way through school and be adults who don't know that it's wrong to pretend that somebody else's work is their own? How long before we are also expected to tell our students not to steal from each other or fight in the aisles? By the way, if you murder somebody during class, you will score zero. And then we get the Academia SE questions along the lines of "My professor said we can't murder people in class. Is it still murder if they were being really annoying?"

– David Richerby
6 hours ago




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2





@DavidRicherby Nothing has happened to the world. We’ve always had plagiarism, we’ve just gotten better at catching it (TurnItIn, etc) and plagiarists started an arms race - but the underlying motives are nothing new. Save the inter-generational dissing for reactionary news outlets, not academia.

– Dai
3 hours ago







@DavidRicherby Nothing has happened to the world. We’ve always had plagiarism, we’ve just gotten better at catching it (TurnItIn, etc) and plagiarists started an arms race - but the underlying motives are nothing new. Save the inter-generational dissing for reactionary news outlets, not academia.

– Dai
3 hours ago






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"In the first lecture I mention some e-learning resources including the online library of all master's thesis of the faculty." - I don't think this is particularly relevant to your title question but it strikes me as odd that you've included it - can you explain?

– Bryan Krause
16 mins ago





"In the first lecture I mention some e-learning resources including the online library of all master's thesis of the faculty." - I don't think this is particularly relevant to your title question but it strikes me as odd that you've included it - can you explain?

– Bryan Krause
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I suspect that in a group of 50 students there will be a few who want to cut corners. It isn't your fault, exactly, but there are some things you can do to make it less likely. If the number is small, you can deal with it individually in your office, of course.



But you should consider why people feel that cheating of any kind is a viable option for them.



If the tasks you set are all very high risk then people will sometimes act badly out of fear. This goes for both assignments and for exams. If you permit re-work to improve grading on assignments you lower the risk and improve the chances of proper behavior.



If the risk of cheating is extremely low, some will do it out of laziness. I once had a group whose experience previously was that no one actually looked at their work, so it didn't matter much what was turned in. I had to convince them (and the Dean) that I was willing to fail everyone if they kept up that behavior, and also convince them that I would look at and comment on their work. But if they don't get individual feedback, their work actually has little value to them for learning. With 50 it may be difficult to give this feedback, of course, though it is (IMO) essential.



Some students have gotten the idea that the reason that you set a task is to get the "proper" answer, rather than to help them learn. So their focus becomes getting that answer, even if no learning occurs. You need to find ways to educate them about the nature of education - especially as they will be teachers. It sometimes surprised a few of my students that I didn't ask them to do things because I needed the answers. I could provide my own answers. It was the production of the answer that was important, not the answer, and the answer could actually be wrong if I could use it to educate (re-work, feedback, ...)



There are other tricks that can be used to lessen the likelihood of plagiarism. Don't used old exercises if you find students turning in old solutions, for example. But permitting, even requiring, teamwork can, in many cases, lower the risk of plagiarism, as well as make education more of a social process. It also helps solve the 50 student problem if students work in groups, or even pairs.



In case of paired or group work you need a way to do peer evaluation, of course, but it need not be meaningless or threatening.



There are also strictly punitive measures, though I try to avoid them. Giving zero credit for all parties when plagiarism is encountered can be effective. So can expulsion for repeat offenders.






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  • Good points, but I think the one about fear might also work the other way round: For a teacher they fear, pupils often work harder, and more timely, so they are better prepared, and are actually able to finish the tasks by themselves, before the due date. I'll say it depends strongly on circumstances and the individuals how this ends.

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  • One thing I would add in my syllabus was "the point is the change in YOUR brain, your skills, not to find the best possible expression of an idea." I wanted them to understand WHY plagiarism isn't helpful. It's not like coding, where finding "the right piece" is the goal.

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There is no excuse for plagiarism.



They certainly know that they cannot just copy someone else's work (also not in parts) - especially if they want to become teachers by themselves!



I like to give a few slides of the beginning of the term that make this very clear:




If you copy then you will get a score of 0 for this assignment and I will watch
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    I suspect that in a group of 50 students there will be a few who want to cut corners. It isn't your fault, exactly, but there are some things you can do to make it less likely. If the number is small, you can deal with it individually in your office, of course.



    But you should consider why people feel that cheating of any kind is a viable option for them.



    If the tasks you set are all very high risk then people will sometimes act badly out of fear. This goes for both assignments and for exams. If you permit re-work to improve grading on assignments you lower the risk and improve the chances of proper behavior.



    If the risk of cheating is extremely low, some will do it out of laziness. I once had a group whose experience previously was that no one actually looked at their work, so it didn't matter much what was turned in. I had to convince them (and the Dean) that I was willing to fail everyone if they kept up that behavior, and also convince them that I would look at and comment on their work. But if they don't get individual feedback, their work actually has little value to them for learning. With 50 it may be difficult to give this feedback, of course, though it is (IMO) essential.



    Some students have gotten the idea that the reason that you set a task is to get the "proper" answer, rather than to help them learn. So their focus becomes getting that answer, even if no learning occurs. You need to find ways to educate them about the nature of education - especially as they will be teachers. It sometimes surprised a few of my students that I didn't ask them to do things because I needed the answers. I could provide my own answers. It was the production of the answer that was important, not the answer, and the answer could actually be wrong if I could use it to educate (re-work, feedback, ...)



    There are other tricks that can be used to lessen the likelihood of plagiarism. Don't used old exercises if you find students turning in old solutions, for example. But permitting, even requiring, teamwork can, in many cases, lower the risk of plagiarism, as well as make education more of a social process. It also helps solve the 50 student problem if students work in groups, or even pairs.



    In case of paired or group work you need a way to do peer evaluation, of course, but it need not be meaningless or threatening.



    There are also strictly punitive measures, though I try to avoid them. Giving zero credit for all parties when plagiarism is encountered can be effective. So can expulsion for repeat offenders.






    share|improve this answer
























    • Good points, but I think the one about fear might also work the other way round: For a teacher they fear, pupils often work harder, and more timely, so they are better prepared, and are actually able to finish the tasks by themselves, before the due date. I'll say it depends strongly on circumstances and the individuals how this ends.

      – Karl
      3 hours ago











    • One thing I would add in my syllabus was "the point is the change in YOUR brain, your skills, not to find the best possible expression of an idea." I wanted them to understand WHY plagiarism isn't helpful. It's not like coding, where finding "the right piece" is the goal.

      – April
      1 hour ago
















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    I suspect that in a group of 50 students there will be a few who want to cut corners. It isn't your fault, exactly, but there are some things you can do to make it less likely. If the number is small, you can deal with it individually in your office, of course.



    But you should consider why people feel that cheating of any kind is a viable option for them.



    If the tasks you set are all very high risk then people will sometimes act badly out of fear. This goes for both assignments and for exams. If you permit re-work to improve grading on assignments you lower the risk and improve the chances of proper behavior.



    If the risk of cheating is extremely low, some will do it out of laziness. I once had a group whose experience previously was that no one actually looked at their work, so it didn't matter much what was turned in. I had to convince them (and the Dean) that I was willing to fail everyone if they kept up that behavior, and also convince them that I would look at and comment on their work. But if they don't get individual feedback, their work actually has little value to them for learning. With 50 it may be difficult to give this feedback, of course, though it is (IMO) essential.



    Some students have gotten the idea that the reason that you set a task is to get the "proper" answer, rather than to help them learn. So their focus becomes getting that answer, even if no learning occurs. You need to find ways to educate them about the nature of education - especially as they will be teachers. It sometimes surprised a few of my students that I didn't ask them to do things because I needed the answers. I could provide my own answers. It was the production of the answer that was important, not the answer, and the answer could actually be wrong if I could use it to educate (re-work, feedback, ...)



    There are other tricks that can be used to lessen the likelihood of plagiarism. Don't used old exercises if you find students turning in old solutions, for example. But permitting, even requiring, teamwork can, in many cases, lower the risk of plagiarism, as well as make education more of a social process. It also helps solve the 50 student problem if students work in groups, or even pairs.



    In case of paired or group work you need a way to do peer evaluation, of course, but it need not be meaningless or threatening.



    There are also strictly punitive measures, though I try to avoid them. Giving zero credit for all parties when plagiarism is encountered can be effective. So can expulsion for repeat offenders.






    share|improve this answer
























    • Good points, but I think the one about fear might also work the other way round: For a teacher they fear, pupils often work harder, and more timely, so they are better prepared, and are actually able to finish the tasks by themselves, before the due date. I'll say it depends strongly on circumstances and the individuals how this ends.

      – Karl
      3 hours ago











    • One thing I would add in my syllabus was "the point is the change in YOUR brain, your skills, not to find the best possible expression of an idea." I wanted them to understand WHY plagiarism isn't helpful. It's not like coding, where finding "the right piece" is the goal.

      – April
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    I suspect that in a group of 50 students there will be a few who want to cut corners. It isn't your fault, exactly, but there are some things you can do to make it less likely. If the number is small, you can deal with it individually in your office, of course.



    But you should consider why people feel that cheating of any kind is a viable option for them.



    If the tasks you set are all very high risk then people will sometimes act badly out of fear. This goes for both assignments and for exams. If you permit re-work to improve grading on assignments you lower the risk and improve the chances of proper behavior.



    If the risk of cheating is extremely low, some will do it out of laziness. I once had a group whose experience previously was that no one actually looked at their work, so it didn't matter much what was turned in. I had to convince them (and the Dean) that I was willing to fail everyone if they kept up that behavior, and also convince them that I would look at and comment on their work. But if they don't get individual feedback, their work actually has little value to them for learning. With 50 it may be difficult to give this feedback, of course, though it is (IMO) essential.



    Some students have gotten the idea that the reason that you set a task is to get the "proper" answer, rather than to help them learn. So their focus becomes getting that answer, even if no learning occurs. You need to find ways to educate them about the nature of education - especially as they will be teachers. It sometimes surprised a few of my students that I didn't ask them to do things because I needed the answers. I could provide my own answers. It was the production of the answer that was important, not the answer, and the answer could actually be wrong if I could use it to educate (re-work, feedback, ...)



    There are other tricks that can be used to lessen the likelihood of plagiarism. Don't used old exercises if you find students turning in old solutions, for example. But permitting, even requiring, teamwork can, in many cases, lower the risk of plagiarism, as well as make education more of a social process. It also helps solve the 50 student problem if students work in groups, or even pairs.



    In case of paired or group work you need a way to do peer evaluation, of course, but it need not be meaningless or threatening.



    There are also strictly punitive measures, though I try to avoid them. Giving zero credit for all parties when plagiarism is encountered can be effective. So can expulsion for repeat offenders.






    share|improve this answer













    I suspect that in a group of 50 students there will be a few who want to cut corners. It isn't your fault, exactly, but there are some things you can do to make it less likely. If the number is small, you can deal with it individually in your office, of course.



    But you should consider why people feel that cheating of any kind is a viable option for them.



    If the tasks you set are all very high risk then people will sometimes act badly out of fear. This goes for both assignments and for exams. If you permit re-work to improve grading on assignments you lower the risk and improve the chances of proper behavior.



    If the risk of cheating is extremely low, some will do it out of laziness. I once had a group whose experience previously was that no one actually looked at their work, so it didn't matter much what was turned in. I had to convince them (and the Dean) that I was willing to fail everyone if they kept up that behavior, and also convince them that I would look at and comment on their work. But if they don't get individual feedback, their work actually has little value to them for learning. With 50 it may be difficult to give this feedback, of course, though it is (IMO) essential.



    Some students have gotten the idea that the reason that you set a task is to get the "proper" answer, rather than to help them learn. So their focus becomes getting that answer, even if no learning occurs. You need to find ways to educate them about the nature of education - especially as they will be teachers. It sometimes surprised a few of my students that I didn't ask them to do things because I needed the answers. I could provide my own answers. It was the production of the answer that was important, not the answer, and the answer could actually be wrong if I could use it to educate (re-work, feedback, ...)



    There are other tricks that can be used to lessen the likelihood of plagiarism. Don't used old exercises if you find students turning in old solutions, for example. But permitting, even requiring, teamwork can, in many cases, lower the risk of plagiarism, as well as make education more of a social process. It also helps solve the 50 student problem if students work in groups, or even pairs.



    In case of paired or group work you need a way to do peer evaluation, of course, but it need not be meaningless or threatening.



    There are also strictly punitive measures, though I try to avoid them. Giving zero credit for all parties when plagiarism is encountered can be effective. So can expulsion for repeat offenders.







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    • Good points, but I think the one about fear might also work the other way round: For a teacher they fear, pupils often work harder, and more timely, so they are better prepared, and are actually able to finish the tasks by themselves, before the due date. I'll say it depends strongly on circumstances and the individuals how this ends.

      – Karl
      3 hours ago











    • One thing I would add in my syllabus was "the point is the change in YOUR brain, your skills, not to find the best possible expression of an idea." I wanted them to understand WHY plagiarism isn't helpful. It's not like coding, where finding "the right piece" is the goal.

      – April
      1 hour ago



















    • Good points, but I think the one about fear might also work the other way round: For a teacher they fear, pupils often work harder, and more timely, so they are better prepared, and are actually able to finish the tasks by themselves, before the due date. I'll say it depends strongly on circumstances and the individuals how this ends.

      – Karl
      3 hours ago











    • One thing I would add in my syllabus was "the point is the change in YOUR brain, your skills, not to find the best possible expression of an idea." I wanted them to understand WHY plagiarism isn't helpful. It's not like coding, where finding "the right piece" is the goal.

      – April
      1 hour ago

















    Good points, but I think the one about fear might also work the other way round: For a teacher they fear, pupils often work harder, and more timely, so they are better prepared, and are actually able to finish the tasks by themselves, before the due date. I'll say it depends strongly on circumstances and the individuals how this ends.

    – Karl
    3 hours ago





    Good points, but I think the one about fear might also work the other way round: For a teacher they fear, pupils often work harder, and more timely, so they are better prepared, and are actually able to finish the tasks by themselves, before the due date. I'll say it depends strongly on circumstances and the individuals how this ends.

    – Karl
    3 hours ago













    One thing I would add in my syllabus was "the point is the change in YOUR brain, your skills, not to find the best possible expression of an idea." I wanted them to understand WHY plagiarism isn't helpful. It's not like coding, where finding "the right piece" is the goal.

    – April
    1 hour ago





    One thing I would add in my syllabus was "the point is the change in YOUR brain, your skills, not to find the best possible expression of an idea." I wanted them to understand WHY plagiarism isn't helpful. It's not like coding, where finding "the right piece" is the goal.

    – April
    1 hour ago











    5














    There is no excuse for plagiarism.



    They certainly know that they cannot just copy someone else's work (also not in parts) - especially if they want to become teachers by themselves!



    I like to give a few slides of the beginning of the term that make this very clear:




    If you copy then you will get a score of 0 for this assignment and I will watch
    all your following ones very closely (in big&fat red letters).







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      5














      There is no excuse for plagiarism.



      They certainly know that they cannot just copy someone else's work (also not in parts) - especially if they want to become teachers by themselves!



      I like to give a few slides of the beginning of the term that make this very clear:




      If you copy then you will get a score of 0 for this assignment and I will watch
      all your following ones very closely (in big&fat red letters).







      share|improve this answer


























        5












        5








        5







        There is no excuse for plagiarism.



        They certainly know that they cannot just copy someone else's work (also not in parts) - especially if they want to become teachers by themselves!



        I like to give a few slides of the beginning of the term that make this very clear:




        If you copy then you will get a score of 0 for this assignment and I will watch
        all your following ones very closely (in big&fat red letters).







        share|improve this answer













        There is no excuse for plagiarism.



        They certainly know that they cannot just copy someone else's work (also not in parts) - especially if they want to become teachers by themselves!



        I like to give a few slides of the beginning of the term that make this very clear:




        If you copy then you will get a score of 0 for this assignment and I will watch
        all your following ones very closely (in big&fat red letters).








        share|improve this answer












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