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I have been working on the following problem
Statement
Assume you have a right angle triangle $Delta ABC$ with cateti $a$, $b$ and hypotenuse $c = sqrt{a^2 + b^2}$. Find or construct a point $D$ on the hypothenuse such that the distance $|CD| = |DE|$, where $E$ is positioned on $AB$ in such a way that $DEparallel BC$ ($DE$ is parallel to $BC$).

Background
My background for wanting such a distance is that I want to create a semicircle from C onto the line $AB$. This can be made clearer in the image below

To be able to make sure the angles is right, I needed the red and blue line to be of same length. This lead to this problem
Solution
Using similar triangles one arrives at the three equations
$$
begin{align*}
frac{color{blue}{text{blue}}}{a - x} & = frac{b}{a} \
frac{color{red}{text{red}}}{x} & = frac{c}{a} \
color{red}{text{red}} & = color{blue}{text{blue}}
end{align*}
$$
Where one easily can solve for $color{blue}{text{blue}}$, $color{red}{text{red}}$, $x$.
Question
I feel my solution is quite barbaric and I feel that there is a better way to solve this problem. Is there another shorter, better, more intuitive solution. Or perhaps there exists a a way to construct the point $D$ in a simpler matter?
geometry triangles geometric-construction congruences-geometry
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I have been working on the following problem
Statement
Assume you have a right angle triangle $Delta ABC$ with cateti $a$, $b$ and hypotenuse $c = sqrt{a^2 + b^2}$. Find or construct a point $D$ on the hypothenuse such that the distance $|CD| = |DE|$, where $E$ is positioned on $AB$ in such a way that $DEparallel BC$ ($DE$ is parallel to $BC$).

Background
My background for wanting such a distance is that I want to create a semicircle from C onto the line $AB$. This can be made clearer in the image below

To be able to make sure the angles is right, I needed the red and blue line to be of same length. This lead to this problem
Solution
Using similar triangles one arrives at the three equations
$$
begin{align*}
frac{color{blue}{text{blue}}}{a - x} & = frac{b}{a} \
frac{color{red}{text{red}}}{x} & = frac{c}{a} \
color{red}{text{red}} & = color{blue}{text{blue}}
end{align*}
$$
Where one easily can solve for $color{blue}{text{blue}}$, $color{red}{text{red}}$, $x$.
Question
I feel my solution is quite barbaric and I feel that there is a better way to solve this problem. Is there another shorter, better, more intuitive solution. Or perhaps there exists a a way to construct the point $D$ in a simpler matter?
geometry triangles geometric-construction congruences-geometry
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You still have not described what $F$ is either from the statement or from the graph.
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– Hw Chu
4 hours ago
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Right when I said $F$ i meant $E$. I will fix it in the problem statement =)
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– N3buchadnezzar
4 hours ago
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cateti is Italian for legs
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– J. W. Tanner
4 hours ago
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Your system of equations very quickly and easily simplifies to $x=ab/(b+c).$ That does not seem too ugly. But the half-angle method also works. In fact, your problem is a nice way to derive at least one of the half-angle formulas for the tangent function!
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– David K
35 mins ago
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I have been working on the following problem
Statement
Assume you have a right angle triangle $Delta ABC$ with cateti $a$, $b$ and hypotenuse $c = sqrt{a^2 + b^2}$. Find or construct a point $D$ on the hypothenuse such that the distance $|CD| = |DE|$, where $E$ is positioned on $AB$ in such a way that $DEparallel BC$ ($DE$ is parallel to $BC$).

Background
My background for wanting such a distance is that I want to create a semicircle from C onto the line $AB$. This can be made clearer in the image below

To be able to make sure the angles is right, I needed the red and blue line to be of same length. This lead to this problem
Solution
Using similar triangles one arrives at the three equations
$$
begin{align*}
frac{color{blue}{text{blue}}}{a - x} & = frac{b}{a} \
frac{color{red}{text{red}}}{x} & = frac{c}{a} \
color{red}{text{red}} & = color{blue}{text{blue}}
end{align*}
$$
Where one easily can solve for $color{blue}{text{blue}}$, $color{red}{text{red}}$, $x$.
Question
I feel my solution is quite barbaric and I feel that there is a better way to solve this problem. Is there another shorter, better, more intuitive solution. Or perhaps there exists a a way to construct the point $D$ in a simpler matter?
geometry triangles geometric-construction congruences-geometry
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I have been working on the following problem
Statement
Assume you have a right angle triangle $Delta ABC$ with cateti $a$, $b$ and hypotenuse $c = sqrt{a^2 + b^2}$. Find or construct a point $D$ on the hypothenuse such that the distance $|CD| = |DE|$, where $E$ is positioned on $AB$ in such a way that $DEparallel BC$ ($DE$ is parallel to $BC$).

Background
My background for wanting such a distance is that I want to create a semicircle from C onto the line $AB$. This can be made clearer in the image below

To be able to make sure the angles is right, I needed the red and blue line to be of same length. This lead to this problem
Solution
Using similar triangles one arrives at the three equations
$$
begin{align*}
frac{color{blue}{text{blue}}}{a - x} & = frac{b}{a} \
frac{color{red}{text{red}}}{x} & = frac{c}{a} \
color{red}{text{red}} & = color{blue}{text{blue}}
end{align*}
$$
Where one easily can solve for $color{blue}{text{blue}}$, $color{red}{text{red}}$, $x$.
Question
I feel my solution is quite barbaric and I feel that there is a better way to solve this problem. Is there another shorter, better, more intuitive solution. Or perhaps there exists a a way to construct the point $D$ in a simpler matter?
geometry triangles geometric-construction congruences-geometry
geometry triangles geometric-construction congruences-geometry
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You still have not described what $F$ is either from the statement or from the graph.
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– Hw Chu
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Right when I said $F$ i meant $E$. I will fix it in the problem statement =)
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– N3buchadnezzar
4 hours ago
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cateti is Italian for legs
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– J. W. Tanner
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Your system of equations very quickly and easily simplifies to $x=ab/(b+c).$ That does not seem too ugly. But the half-angle method also works. In fact, your problem is a nice way to derive at least one of the half-angle formulas for the tangent function!
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You still have not described what $F$ is either from the statement or from the graph.
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– Hw Chu
4 hours ago
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Right when I said $F$ i meant $E$. I will fix it in the problem statement =)
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– N3buchadnezzar
4 hours ago
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cateti is Italian for legs
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– J. W. Tanner
4 hours ago
1
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Your system of equations very quickly and easily simplifies to $x=ab/(b+c).$ That does not seem too ugly. But the half-angle method also works. In fact, your problem is a nice way to derive at least one of the half-angle formulas for the tangent function!
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– David K
35 mins ago
1
1
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You still have not described what $F$ is either from the statement or from the graph.
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– Hw Chu
4 hours ago
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You still have not described what $F$ is either from the statement or from the graph.
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– Hw Chu
4 hours ago
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Right when I said $F$ i meant $E$. I will fix it in the problem statement =)
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– N3buchadnezzar
4 hours ago
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Right when I said $F$ i meant $E$. I will fix it in the problem statement =)
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– N3buchadnezzar
4 hours ago
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cateti is Italian for legs
$endgroup$
– J. W. Tanner
4 hours ago
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cateti is Italian for legs
$endgroup$
– J. W. Tanner
4 hours ago
1
1
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Your system of equations very quickly and easily simplifies to $x=ab/(b+c).$ That does not seem too ugly. But the half-angle method also works. In fact, your problem is a nice way to derive at least one of the half-angle formulas for the tangent function!
$endgroup$
– David K
35 mins ago
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Your system of equations very quickly and easily simplifies to $x=ab/(b+c).$ That does not seem too ugly. But the half-angle method also works. In fact, your problem is a nice way to derive at least one of the half-angle formulas for the tangent function!
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35 mins ago
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Let the angle bisector of $angle ACB$ intersect side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$.
Let the measure of $angle ACB$ be $alpha$.
Then $m angle DCE = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.
Let the line perpendicular to side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$ intersect side
$overline{AC}$ at point $D$.
Since $overline{ED}$ is parallel to $overline{BC}$, then
$angle ADE cong angle ACB$
By the exterior angle theorem, $mangle DEC = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.
Hence $triangle EDC$ is isoceles.
So $CD = DE$.
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This is exactly what I was looking for =)
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2 hours ago
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The curve that traces out the points that are equidistant to $C$ and the line extension of $AB$ is a parabola with focus $C$ and directrix $AB$.
Choosing a convenient coordinate system (parallel to $AB$ with $B$ as the origin), I get the equation $y = frac{x^2}{2b} + frac{b}{2}$, which you want to intersect with the line $y = frac{b}{a}x + b$.
Solving, I get that the point $D$ has $(x,y)$ coordinates of $x = frac{b(b - c)}{a}$ and $y = frac{bc(c - b)}{a^2}$.
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Let $$CD=DE=y$$ then we get $$frac{b}{c}=frac{y}{c-y}$$ so $$y=frac{bc}{b+c}$$
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I don't think those are the correct proportions. You should get something like $frac{a}{b} = frac{sqrt{y^2 - (b-y)^2}}{b-y}$
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Not sure if this is less barbaric but using simple trig: $DE=(a-x)tan A$, $DC=frac{x}{cos A}$ so the equation to solve is $$(a-x)frac{b}{a}=frac{xsqrt{a^2+b^2}}{a}$$ or $$x=frac{ab}{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+b}$$
Just another idea to construct point $E$: since $triangle{DCE}$ is isosceles, it's easy to find $angle{ACE}=(90°-A)/2$
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Let the angle bisector of $angle ACB$ intersect side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$.
Let the measure of $angle ACB$ be $alpha$.
Then $m angle DCE = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.
Let the line perpendicular to side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$ intersect side
$overline{AC}$ at point $D$.
Since $overline{ED}$ is parallel to $overline{BC}$, then
$angle ADE cong angle ACB$
By the exterior angle theorem, $mangle DEC = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.
Hence $triangle EDC$ is isoceles.
So $CD = DE$.
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This is exactly what I was looking for =)
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2 hours ago
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Let the angle bisector of $angle ACB$ intersect side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$.
Let the measure of $angle ACB$ be $alpha$.
Then $m angle DCE = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.
Let the line perpendicular to side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$ intersect side
$overline{AC}$ at point $D$.
Since $overline{ED}$ is parallel to $overline{BC}$, then
$angle ADE cong angle ACB$
By the exterior angle theorem, $mangle DEC = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.
Hence $triangle EDC$ is isoceles.
So $CD = DE$.
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This is exactly what I was looking for =)
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– N3buchadnezzar
2 hours ago
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Let the angle bisector of $angle ACB$ intersect side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$.
Let the measure of $angle ACB$ be $alpha$.
Then $m angle DCE = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.
Let the line perpendicular to side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$ intersect side
$overline{AC}$ at point $D$.
Since $overline{ED}$ is parallel to $overline{BC}$, then
$angle ADE cong angle ACB$
By the exterior angle theorem, $mangle DEC = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.
Hence $triangle EDC$ is isoceles.
So $CD = DE$.
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Let the angle bisector of $angle ACB$ intersect side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$.
Let the measure of $angle ACB$ be $alpha$.
Then $m angle DCE = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.
Let the line perpendicular to side $overline{AB}$ at point $E$ intersect side
$overline{AC}$ at point $D$.
Since $overline{ED}$ is parallel to $overline{BC}$, then
$angle ADE cong angle ACB$
By the exterior angle theorem, $mangle DEC = dfrac{alpha}{2}$.
Hence $triangle EDC$ is isoceles.
So $CD = DE$.
answered 3 hours ago
steven gregorysteven gregory
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This is exactly what I was looking for =)
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This is exactly what I was looking for =)
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This is exactly what I was looking for =)
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This is exactly what I was looking for =)
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The curve that traces out the points that are equidistant to $C$ and the line extension of $AB$ is a parabola with focus $C$ and directrix $AB$.
Choosing a convenient coordinate system (parallel to $AB$ with $B$ as the origin), I get the equation $y = frac{x^2}{2b} + frac{b}{2}$, which you want to intersect with the line $y = frac{b}{a}x + b$.
Solving, I get that the point $D$ has $(x,y)$ coordinates of $x = frac{b(b - c)}{a}$ and $y = frac{bc(c - b)}{a^2}$.
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The curve that traces out the points that are equidistant to $C$ and the line extension of $AB$ is a parabola with focus $C$ and directrix $AB$.
Choosing a convenient coordinate system (parallel to $AB$ with $B$ as the origin), I get the equation $y = frac{x^2}{2b} + frac{b}{2}$, which you want to intersect with the line $y = frac{b}{a}x + b$.
Solving, I get that the point $D$ has $(x,y)$ coordinates of $x = frac{b(b - c)}{a}$ and $y = frac{bc(c - b)}{a^2}$.
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The curve that traces out the points that are equidistant to $C$ and the line extension of $AB$ is a parabola with focus $C$ and directrix $AB$.
Choosing a convenient coordinate system (parallel to $AB$ with $B$ as the origin), I get the equation $y = frac{x^2}{2b} + frac{b}{2}$, which you want to intersect with the line $y = frac{b}{a}x + b$.
Solving, I get that the point $D$ has $(x,y)$ coordinates of $x = frac{b(b - c)}{a}$ and $y = frac{bc(c - b)}{a^2}$.
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The curve that traces out the points that are equidistant to $C$ and the line extension of $AB$ is a parabola with focus $C$ and directrix $AB$.
Choosing a convenient coordinate system (parallel to $AB$ with $B$ as the origin), I get the equation $y = frac{x^2}{2b} + frac{b}{2}$, which you want to intersect with the line $y = frac{b}{a}x + b$.
Solving, I get that the point $D$ has $(x,y)$ coordinates of $x = frac{b(b - c)}{a}$ and $y = frac{bc(c - b)}{a^2}$.
answered 3 hours ago
Michael BiroMichael Biro
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Let $$CD=DE=y$$ then we get $$frac{b}{c}=frac{y}{c-y}$$ so $$y=frac{bc}{b+c}$$
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I don't think those are the correct proportions. You should get something like $frac{a}{b} = frac{sqrt{y^2 - (b-y)^2}}{b-y}$
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– Michael Biro
3 hours ago
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Let $$CD=DE=y$$ then we get $$frac{b}{c}=frac{y}{c-y}$$ so $$y=frac{bc}{b+c}$$
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I don't think those are the correct proportions. You should get something like $frac{a}{b} = frac{sqrt{y^2 - (b-y)^2}}{b-y}$
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– Michael Biro
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Let $$CD=DE=y$$ then we get $$frac{b}{c}=frac{y}{c-y}$$ so $$y=frac{bc}{b+c}$$
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Let $$CD=DE=y$$ then we get $$frac{b}{c}=frac{y}{c-y}$$ so $$y=frac{bc}{b+c}$$
edited 3 hours ago
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Dr. Sonnhard GraubnerDr. Sonnhard Graubner
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I don't think those are the correct proportions. You should get something like $frac{a}{b} = frac{sqrt{y^2 - (b-y)^2}}{b-y}$
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– Michael Biro
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I don't think those are the correct proportions. You should get something like $frac{a}{b} = frac{sqrt{y^2 - (b-y)^2}}{b-y}$
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– Michael Biro
3 hours ago
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I don't think those are the correct proportions. You should get something like $frac{a}{b} = frac{sqrt{y^2 - (b-y)^2}}{b-y}$
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– Michael Biro
3 hours ago
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I don't think those are the correct proportions. You should get something like $frac{a}{b} = frac{sqrt{y^2 - (b-y)^2}}{b-y}$
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– Michael Biro
3 hours ago
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Not sure if this is less barbaric but using simple trig: $DE=(a-x)tan A$, $DC=frac{x}{cos A}$ so the equation to solve is $$(a-x)frac{b}{a}=frac{xsqrt{a^2+b^2}}{a}$$ or $$x=frac{ab}{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+b}$$
Just another idea to construct point $E$: since $triangle{DCE}$ is isosceles, it's easy to find $angle{ACE}=(90°-A)/2$
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Not sure if this is less barbaric but using simple trig: $DE=(a-x)tan A$, $DC=frac{x}{cos A}$ so the equation to solve is $$(a-x)frac{b}{a}=frac{xsqrt{a^2+b^2}}{a}$$ or $$x=frac{ab}{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+b}$$
Just another idea to construct point $E$: since $triangle{DCE}$ is isosceles, it's easy to find $angle{ACE}=(90°-A)/2$
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
Not sure if this is less barbaric but using simple trig: $DE=(a-x)tan A$, $DC=frac{x}{cos A}$ so the equation to solve is $$(a-x)frac{b}{a}=frac{xsqrt{a^2+b^2}}{a}$$ or $$x=frac{ab}{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+b}$$
Just another idea to construct point $E$: since $triangle{DCE}$ is isosceles, it's easy to find $angle{ACE}=(90°-A)/2$
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Not sure if this is less barbaric but using simple trig: $DE=(a-x)tan A$, $DC=frac{x}{cos A}$ so the equation to solve is $$(a-x)frac{b}{a}=frac{xsqrt{a^2+b^2}}{a}$$ or $$x=frac{ab}{sqrt{a^2+b^2}+b}$$
Just another idea to construct point $E$: since $triangle{DCE}$ is isosceles, it's easy to find $angle{ACE}=(90°-A)/2$
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You still have not described what $F$ is either from the statement or from the graph.
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– Hw Chu
4 hours ago
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Right when I said $F$ i meant $E$. I will fix it in the problem statement =)
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– N3buchadnezzar
4 hours ago
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cateti is Italian for legs
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– J. W. Tanner
4 hours ago
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Your system of equations very quickly and easily simplifies to $x=ab/(b+c).$ That does not seem too ugly. But the half-angle method also works. In fact, your problem is a nice way to derive at least one of the half-angle formulas for the tangent function!
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– David K
35 mins ago