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How would a mousetrap for use in space work?
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)If mice escaped on the International Space Station, could they live and thrive?Can fish really live in microgravity without water?What are the procedures aboard the ISS in the eventuality of a loss of a crew member?Where should I look in ISS to find mouldy food?What would happen if a mutiny occurred on the International Space Station?Have any animals that have been studied onboard the ISS come back alive?Why aren't the ISS's nor Space Shuttle's radiators black?Will the Neumann drive start testing aboard the ISS some time in 2018?Is microgravity “known to” increase bacteria's tendency to acquire foreign genetic material and become metal & antibiotic-resistant?How will Robotic Refueling Mission-3's liquid methane tank remain full for six months without any boil off?If mice escaped on the International Space Station, could they live and thrive?
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To the question If mice escaped on the International Space Station, could they live and thrive? both the answer and comments point out that while mice escaped from an experiment might survive a while if they could find food and water, their chewing on insulation and and seals could cause tremendous problems and endanger the lives of the crew.
It would then be absolutely critical to capture the mice as soon as possible.
How might a mousetrap for use in space work? How might it differ from terrestrial 1 g mousetraps?
"Mousetrap" may be generalized somewhat. Remember that the goal is to rid the station of the dangers posed by the mice.
Screenshot from Mice aboard the International Space Station
iss animals emergency
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To the question If mice escaped on the International Space Station, could they live and thrive? both the answer and comments point out that while mice escaped from an experiment might survive a while if they could find food and water, their chewing on insulation and and seals could cause tremendous problems and endanger the lives of the crew.
It would then be absolutely critical to capture the mice as soon as possible.
How might a mousetrap for use in space work? How might it differ from terrestrial 1 g mousetraps?
"Mousetrap" may be generalized somewhat. Remember that the goal is to rid the station of the dangers posed by the mice.
Screenshot from Mice aboard the International Space Station
iss animals emergency
asked 7 hours ago
uhohuhoh
41.1k18154516
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Is it possible to seal off a section & pump enough air out to suffocate them?
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– Dan Pichelman
6 hours ago
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@DanPichelman I recommend posting that as an answer. I'll clarify the question to allow for non-conventional solutions.
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– uhoh
6 hours ago
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A great variation on "build a better mousetrap"
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– ben
25 mins ago
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To the question If mice escaped on the International Space Station, could they live and thrive? both the answer and comments point out that while mice escaped from an experiment might survive a while if they could find food and water, their chewing on insulation and and seals could cause tremendous problems and endanger the lives of the crew.
It would then be absolutely critical to capture the mice as soon as possible.
How might a mousetrap for use in space work? How might it differ from terrestrial 1 g mousetraps?
"Mousetrap" may be generalized somewhat. Remember that the goal is to rid the station of the dangers posed by the mice.
Screenshot from Mice aboard the International Space Station
iss animals emergency
asked 7 hours ago
uhohuhoh
41.1k18154516
$endgroup$
To the question If mice escaped on the International Space Station, could they live and thrive? both the answer and comments point out that while mice escaped from an experiment might survive a while if they could find food and water, their chewing on insulation and and seals could cause tremendous problems and endanger the lives of the crew.
It would then be absolutely critical to capture the mice as soon as possible.
How might a mousetrap for use in space work? How might it differ from terrestrial 1 g mousetraps?
"Mousetrap" may be generalized somewhat. Remember that the goal is to rid the station of the dangers posed by the mice.
Screenshot from Mice aboard the International Space Station
iss animals emergency
iss animals emergency
asked 7 hours ago
uhohuhoh
41.1k18154516
asked 7 hours ago
uhohuhoh
41.1k18154516
edited 6 hours ago
uhoh
asked 7 hours ago
uhohuhoh
41.1k18154516
asked 7 hours ago
uhohuhoh
41.1k18154516
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uhohuhoh
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Is it possible to seal off a section & pump enough air out to suffocate them?
$endgroup$
– Dan Pichelman
6 hours ago
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@DanPichelman I recommend posting that as an answer. I'll clarify the question to allow for non-conventional solutions.
$endgroup$
– uhoh
6 hours ago
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A great variation on "build a better mousetrap"
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– ben
25 mins ago
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
Is it possible to seal off a section & pump enough air out to suffocate them?
$endgroup$
– Dan Pichelman
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
@DanPichelman I recommend posting that as an answer. I'll clarify the question to allow for non-conventional solutions.
$endgroup$
– uhoh
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
A great variation on "build a better mousetrap"
$endgroup$
– ben
25 mins ago
1
1
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Is it possible to seal off a section & pump enough air out to suffocate them?
$endgroup$
– Dan Pichelman
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Is it possible to seal off a section & pump enough air out to suffocate them?
$endgroup$
– Dan Pichelman
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
@DanPichelman I recommend posting that as an answer. I'll clarify the question to allow for non-conventional solutions.
$endgroup$
– uhoh
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
@DanPichelman I recommend posting that as an answer. I'll clarify the question to allow for non-conventional solutions.
$endgroup$
– uhoh
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
A great variation on "build a better mousetrap"
$endgroup$
– ben
25 mins ago
$begingroup$
A great variation on "build a better mousetrap"
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– ben
25 mins ago
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There are many types of mousetraps, the traditional "snap trap" is unlikely to work well because it is dependent on pressure. Lethal traps like snap traps would be undesirable:
- Humane concerns
- Dead mice are a health concern in a closed environment
- You want the mice alive for experimentation
So that leaves you with non-lethal traps, the two that come to mind are:
Catch and Release traps:
These traps are all variations on a theme, mice come in to get the bait and the door closes behind them. There are simple mechanical ones and electronic ones, I'd assume the electric ones are better again because you don't want to be reliant on pressure sensing.
Glue traps: these are really just sheets of very sticky glue with bait in the middle. A mouse gets stuck to the glue, it's that simple. These aren't perfect as it can be difficult to get the mouse off in one piece, and you'd be introducing solvents into the atmosphere from the glue. But, they'd be useful for some hard to reach places.
answered 6 hours ago
GdDGdD
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It does, in my answer I say an electronic one with a sensor would be better @JCRM, I just couldn't find a decent picture of one.
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– GdD
5 hours ago
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No probs @JCRM.
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– GdD
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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A solution that comes to mind is to seal off one section of the ISS at a time and depressurize it.
Finding and removing dead mice may be somewhat easier than finding and removing live ones that are actively avoiding capture.
(I fully agree with the comments - removing the dead mice would be a major problem)
answered 6 hours ago
Dan PichelmanDan Pichelman
2,2423716
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I have to disagree with that fundamentally, mice are amazing at working their way into things, you don't want a rotting mouse corpse stuck behind a console where the crew can't reach!
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– GdD
5 hours ago
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@GdD Agreed. I once had a mouse die in the heating vents of my car, and the car was old enough where taking it apart to find it would've exceeded the value of the car. Even with the windows open it stank for months.
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– ceejayoz
5 hours ago
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That's nasty @ceejayoz! I had one die behind a range once, couldn't get the landlord to send someone to get it out and I wasn't allowed to move it contractually. Pretty unpleasant!
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– GdD
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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I would think that a mousetrap on the ISS would work the same as one on earth, but secured to the sides of the station
answered 6 hours ago
Random9Random9
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All the traps I can think of use gravity in one way or another. admittedly I've only used four different methods.
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– JCRM
5 hours ago
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I believe that funnel traps should work in zero-gravity. They are not active, do not use gravity or springs. Gravity may help the mouse fall in for those with opening at the top but imho that is not strictly needed as other designs use openings on the sides.
Image source Little Green Shop
answered 2 hours ago
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There are many types of mousetraps, the traditional "snap trap" is unlikely to work well because it is dependent on pressure. Lethal traps like snap traps would be undesirable:
- Humane concerns
- Dead mice are a health concern in a closed environment
- You want the mice alive for experimentation
So that leaves you with non-lethal traps, the two that come to mind are:
Catch and Release traps:
These traps are all variations on a theme, mice come in to get the bait and the door closes behind them. There are simple mechanical ones and electronic ones, I'd assume the electric ones are better again because you don't want to be reliant on pressure sensing.
Glue traps: these are really just sheets of very sticky glue with bait in the middle. A mouse gets stuck to the glue, it's that simple. These aren't perfect as it can be difficult to get the mouse off in one piece, and you'd be introducing solvents into the atmosphere from the glue. But, they'd be useful for some hard to reach places.
answered 6 hours ago
GdDGdD
9,90833245
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It does, in my answer I say an electronic one with a sensor would be better @JCRM, I just couldn't find a decent picture of one.
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
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No probs @JCRM.
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
There are many types of mousetraps, the traditional "snap trap" is unlikely to work well because it is dependent on pressure. Lethal traps like snap traps would be undesirable:
- Humane concerns
- Dead mice are a health concern in a closed environment
- You want the mice alive for experimentation
So that leaves you with non-lethal traps, the two that come to mind are:
Catch and Release traps:
These traps are all variations on a theme, mice come in to get the bait and the door closes behind them. There are simple mechanical ones and electronic ones, I'd assume the electric ones are better again because you don't want to be reliant on pressure sensing.
Glue traps: these are really just sheets of very sticky glue with bait in the middle. A mouse gets stuck to the glue, it's that simple. These aren't perfect as it can be difficult to get the mouse off in one piece, and you'd be introducing solvents into the atmosphere from the glue. But, they'd be useful for some hard to reach places.
answered 6 hours ago
GdDGdD
9,90833245
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
It does, in my answer I say an electronic one with a sensor would be better @JCRM, I just couldn't find a decent picture of one.
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
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No probs @JCRM.
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
There are many types of mousetraps, the traditional "snap trap" is unlikely to work well because it is dependent on pressure. Lethal traps like snap traps would be undesirable:
- Humane concerns
- Dead mice are a health concern in a closed environment
- You want the mice alive for experimentation
So that leaves you with non-lethal traps, the two that come to mind are:
Catch and Release traps:
These traps are all variations on a theme, mice come in to get the bait and the door closes behind them. There are simple mechanical ones and electronic ones, I'd assume the electric ones are better again because you don't want to be reliant on pressure sensing.
Glue traps: these are really just sheets of very sticky glue with bait in the middle. A mouse gets stuck to the glue, it's that simple. These aren't perfect as it can be difficult to get the mouse off in one piece, and you'd be introducing solvents into the atmosphere from the glue. But, they'd be useful for some hard to reach places.
answered 6 hours ago
GdDGdD
9,90833245
$endgroup$
There are many types of mousetraps, the traditional "snap trap" is unlikely to work well because it is dependent on pressure. Lethal traps like snap traps would be undesirable:
- Humane concerns
- Dead mice are a health concern in a closed environment
- You want the mice alive for experimentation
So that leaves you with non-lethal traps, the two that come to mind are:
Catch and Release traps:
These traps are all variations on a theme, mice come in to get the bait and the door closes behind them. There are simple mechanical ones and electronic ones, I'd assume the electric ones are better again because you don't want to be reliant on pressure sensing.
Glue traps: these are really just sheets of very sticky glue with bait in the middle. A mouse gets stuck to the glue, it's that simple. These aren't perfect as it can be difficult to get the mouse off in one piece, and you'd be introducing solvents into the atmosphere from the glue. But, they'd be useful for some hard to reach places.
answered 6 hours ago
GdDGdD
9,90833245
answered 6 hours ago
GdDGdD
9,90833245
answered 6 hours ago
GdDGdD
9,90833245
answered 6 hours ago
GdDGdD
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It does, in my answer I say an electronic one with a sensor would be better @JCRM, I just couldn't find a decent picture of one.
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– GdD
5 hours ago
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No probs @JCRM.
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– GdD
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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It does, in my answer I say an electronic one with a sensor would be better @JCRM, I just couldn't find a decent picture of one.
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
No probs @JCRM.
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
It does, in my answer I say an electronic one with a sensor would be better @JCRM, I just couldn't find a decent picture of one.
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
It does, in my answer I say an electronic one with a sensor would be better @JCRM, I just couldn't find a decent picture of one.
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
No probs @JCRM.
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
No probs @JCRM.
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
A solution that comes to mind is to seal off one section of the ISS at a time and depressurize it.
Finding and removing dead mice may be somewhat easier than finding and removing live ones that are actively avoiding capture.
(I fully agree with the comments - removing the dead mice would be a major problem)
answered 6 hours ago
Dan PichelmanDan Pichelman
2,2423716
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
I have to disagree with that fundamentally, mice are amazing at working their way into things, you don't want a rotting mouse corpse stuck behind a console where the crew can't reach!
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
@GdD Agreed. I once had a mouse die in the heating vents of my car, and the car was old enough where taking it apart to find it would've exceeded the value of the car. Even with the windows open it stank for months.
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– ceejayoz
5 hours ago
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That's nasty @ceejayoz! I had one die behind a range once, couldn't get the landlord to send someone to get it out and I wasn't allowed to move it contractually. Pretty unpleasant!
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
A solution that comes to mind is to seal off one section of the ISS at a time and depressurize it.
Finding and removing dead mice may be somewhat easier than finding and removing live ones that are actively avoiding capture.
(I fully agree with the comments - removing the dead mice would be a major problem)
answered 6 hours ago
Dan PichelmanDan Pichelman
2,2423716
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
I have to disagree with that fundamentally, mice are amazing at working their way into things, you don't want a rotting mouse corpse stuck behind a console where the crew can't reach!
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
@GdD Agreed. I once had a mouse die in the heating vents of my car, and the car was old enough where taking it apart to find it would've exceeded the value of the car. Even with the windows open it stank for months.
$endgroup$
– ceejayoz
5 hours ago
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That's nasty @ceejayoz! I had one die behind a range once, couldn't get the landlord to send someone to get it out and I wasn't allowed to move it contractually. Pretty unpleasant!
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
A solution that comes to mind is to seal off one section of the ISS at a time and depressurize it.
Finding and removing dead mice may be somewhat easier than finding and removing live ones that are actively avoiding capture.
(I fully agree with the comments - removing the dead mice would be a major problem)
answered 6 hours ago
Dan PichelmanDan Pichelman
2,2423716
$endgroup$
A solution that comes to mind is to seal off one section of the ISS at a time and depressurize it.
Finding and removing dead mice may be somewhat easier than finding and removing live ones that are actively avoiding capture.
(I fully agree with the comments - removing the dead mice would be a major problem)
answered 6 hours ago
Dan PichelmanDan Pichelman
2,2423716
edited 5 hours ago
answered 6 hours ago
Dan PichelmanDan Pichelman
2,2423716
answered 6 hours ago
Dan PichelmanDan Pichelman
2,2423716
answered 6 hours ago
Dan PichelmanDan Pichelman
2,2423716
2,2423716
1
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I have to disagree with that fundamentally, mice are amazing at working their way into things, you don't want a rotting mouse corpse stuck behind a console where the crew can't reach!
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
@GdD Agreed. I once had a mouse die in the heating vents of my car, and the car was old enough where taking it apart to find it would've exceeded the value of the car. Even with the windows open it stank for months.
$endgroup$
– ceejayoz
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
That's nasty @ceejayoz! I had one die behind a range once, couldn't get the landlord to send someone to get it out and I wasn't allowed to move it contractually. Pretty unpleasant!
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
I have to disagree with that fundamentally, mice are amazing at working their way into things, you don't want a rotting mouse corpse stuck behind a console where the crew can't reach!
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
@GdD Agreed. I once had a mouse die in the heating vents of my car, and the car was old enough where taking it apart to find it would've exceeded the value of the car. Even with the windows open it stank for months.
$endgroup$
– ceejayoz
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
That's nasty @ceejayoz! I had one die behind a range once, couldn't get the landlord to send someone to get it out and I wasn't allowed to move it contractually. Pretty unpleasant!
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
I have to disagree with that fundamentally, mice are amazing at working their way into things, you don't want a rotting mouse corpse stuck behind a console where the crew can't reach!
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
I have to disagree with that fundamentally, mice are amazing at working their way into things, you don't want a rotting mouse corpse stuck behind a console where the crew can't reach!
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
@GdD Agreed. I once had a mouse die in the heating vents of my car, and the car was old enough where taking it apart to find it would've exceeded the value of the car. Even with the windows open it stank for months.
$endgroup$
– ceejayoz
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
@GdD Agreed. I once had a mouse die in the heating vents of my car, and the car was old enough where taking it apart to find it would've exceeded the value of the car. Even with the windows open it stank for months.
$endgroup$
– ceejayoz
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
That's nasty @ceejayoz! I had one die behind a range once, couldn't get the landlord to send someone to get it out and I wasn't allowed to move it contractually. Pretty unpleasant!
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
That's nasty @ceejayoz! I had one die behind a range once, couldn't get the landlord to send someone to get it out and I wasn't allowed to move it contractually. Pretty unpleasant!
$endgroup$
– GdD
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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I would think that a mousetrap on the ISS would work the same as one on earth, but secured to the sides of the station
answered 6 hours ago
Random9Random9
302
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1
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All the traps I can think of use gravity in one way or another. admittedly I've only used four different methods.
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– JCRM
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I would think that a mousetrap on the ISS would work the same as one on earth, but secured to the sides of the station
answered 6 hours ago
Random9Random9
302
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
All the traps I can think of use gravity in one way or another. admittedly I've only used four different methods.
$endgroup$
– JCRM
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I would think that a mousetrap on the ISS would work the same as one on earth, but secured to the sides of the station
answered 6 hours ago
Random9Random9
302
$endgroup$
I would think that a mousetrap on the ISS would work the same as one on earth, but secured to the sides of the station
answered 6 hours ago
Random9Random9
302
answered 6 hours ago
Random9Random9
302
answered 6 hours ago
Random9Random9
302
answered 6 hours ago
Random9Random9
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302
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All the traps I can think of use gravity in one way or another. admittedly I've only used four different methods.
$endgroup$
– JCRM
5 hours ago
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
All the traps I can think of use gravity in one way or another. admittedly I've only used four different methods.
$endgroup$
– JCRM
5 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
All the traps I can think of use gravity in one way or another. admittedly I've only used four different methods.
$endgroup$
– JCRM
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
All the traps I can think of use gravity in one way or another. admittedly I've only used four different methods.
$endgroup$
– JCRM
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I believe that funnel traps should work in zero-gravity. They are not active, do not use gravity or springs. Gravity may help the mouse fall in for those with opening at the top but imho that is not strictly needed as other designs use openings on the sides.
Image source Little Green Shop
answered 2 hours ago
jkavalikjkavalik
3,81711338
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I believe that funnel traps should work in zero-gravity. They are not active, do not use gravity or springs. Gravity may help the mouse fall in for those with opening at the top but imho that is not strictly needed as other designs use openings on the sides.
Image source Little Green Shop
answered 2 hours ago
jkavalikjkavalik
3,81711338
$endgroup$
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I believe that funnel traps should work in zero-gravity. They are not active, do not use gravity or springs. Gravity may help the mouse fall in for those with opening at the top but imho that is not strictly needed as other designs use openings on the sides.
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I believe that funnel traps should work in zero-gravity. They are not active, do not use gravity or springs. Gravity may help the mouse fall in for those with opening at the top but imho that is not strictly needed as other designs use openings on the sides.
Image source Little Green Shop
answered 2 hours ago
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answered 2 hours ago
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Is it possible to seal off a section & pump enough air out to suffocate them?
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– Dan Pichelman
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@DanPichelman I recommend posting that as an answer. I'll clarify the question to allow for non-conventional solutions.
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– uhoh
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A great variation on "build a better mousetrap"
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– ben
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