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Having not seen much of Star Trek: Enterprise, and not being certain if Stafleet proper was officially even founded at the time of those events (uncertain as to whether it was Earth exploration pre-starfleet, or the first exploration made BY starfleet), what non-halfbreed alien species has the distinction of being the first non-human to become a member of a Starfleet crew?



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    Worf is not half-human.

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    Probably T'Pol, but I'm not sure enough to post that as an answer. Or did Phlox join the crew earlier?

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  • I would guess T'pol. Phlox was a medical exchange student that Archer roped into being on his ship, initially to look after the Klingon, since no human doctor could care for him, and then afterwards because no human doctor had Phlox's experience with exobiology. I don't believe he ever joined Starfleet within the bounds of the series.

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    @Xantec - "PHLOX: I am the Chief Medical Officer on this ship and I am going to treat Ensign Mayweather. Then I'm going back to bed."; chakoteya.net/Enterprise/25.htm

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    @Richard That may or may not be indicative of a commission. T'Pol was the ship's Science Officer even though she was still a member of the High Command.

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Having not seen much of Star Trek: Enterprise, and not being certain if Stafleet proper was officially even founded at the time of those events (uncertain as to whether it was Earth exploration pre-starfleet, or the first exploration made BY starfleet), what non-halfbreed alien species has the distinction of being the first non-human to become a member of a Starfleet crew?



(Note: This specifically leaves out Spock, who was half-human).










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    Probably T'Pol, but I'm not sure enough to post that as an answer. Or did Phlox join the crew earlier?

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  • I would guess T'pol. Phlox was a medical exchange student that Archer roped into being on his ship, initially to look after the Klingon, since no human doctor could care for him, and then afterwards because no human doctor had Phlox's experience with exobiology. I don't believe he ever joined Starfleet within the bounds of the series.

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    @Xantec - "PHLOX: I am the Chief Medical Officer on this ship and I am going to treat Ensign Mayweather. Then I'm going back to bed."; chakoteya.net/Enterprise/25.htm

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    @Richard That may or may not be indicative of a commission. T'Pol was the ship's Science Officer even though she was still a member of the High Command.

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Having not seen much of Star Trek: Enterprise, and not being certain if Stafleet proper was officially even founded at the time of those events (uncertain as to whether it was Earth exploration pre-starfleet, or the first exploration made BY starfleet), what non-halfbreed alien species has the distinction of being the first non-human to become a member of a Starfleet crew?



(Note: This specifically leaves out Spock, who was half-human).










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Having not seen much of Star Trek: Enterprise, and not being certain if Stafleet proper was officially even founded at the time of those events (uncertain as to whether it was Earth exploration pre-starfleet, or the first exploration made BY starfleet), what non-halfbreed alien species has the distinction of being the first non-human to become a member of a Starfleet crew?



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    Probably T'Pol, but I'm not sure enough to post that as an answer. Or did Phlox join the crew earlier?

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  • I would guess T'pol. Phlox was a medical exchange student that Archer roped into being on his ship, initially to look after the Klingon, since no human doctor could care for him, and then afterwards because no human doctor had Phlox's experience with exobiology. I don't believe he ever joined Starfleet within the bounds of the series.

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    @Xantec - "PHLOX: I am the Chief Medical Officer on this ship and I am going to treat Ensign Mayweather. Then I'm going back to bed."; chakoteya.net/Enterprise/25.htm

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    @Richard That may or may not be indicative of a commission. T'Pol was the ship's Science Officer even though she was still a member of the High Command.

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    Worf is not half-human.

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    Probably T'Pol, but I'm not sure enough to post that as an answer. Or did Phlox join the crew earlier?

    – Keith Thompson
    Mar 17 '14 at 20:14













  • I would guess T'pol. Phlox was a medical exchange student that Archer roped into being on his ship, initially to look after the Klingon, since no human doctor could care for him, and then afterwards because no human doctor had Phlox's experience with exobiology. I don't believe he ever joined Starfleet within the bounds of the series.

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    @Xantec - "PHLOX: I am the Chief Medical Officer on this ship and I am going to treat Ensign Mayweather. Then I'm going back to bed."; chakoteya.net/Enterprise/25.htm

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    @Richard That may or may not be indicative of a commission. T'Pol was the ship's Science Officer even though she was still a member of the High Command.

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Worf is not half-human.

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Worf is not half-human.

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Probably T'Pol, but I'm not sure enough to post that as an answer. Or did Phlox join the crew earlier?

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Probably T'Pol, but I'm not sure enough to post that as an answer. Or did Phlox join the crew earlier?

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I would guess T'pol. Phlox was a medical exchange student that Archer roped into being on his ship, initially to look after the Klingon, since no human doctor could care for him, and then afterwards because no human doctor had Phlox's experience with exobiology. I don't believe he ever joined Starfleet within the bounds of the series.

– Xantec
Mar 17 '14 at 20:27







I would guess T'pol. Phlox was a medical exchange student that Archer roped into being on his ship, initially to look after the Klingon, since no human doctor could care for him, and then afterwards because no human doctor had Phlox's experience with exobiology. I don't believe he ever joined Starfleet within the bounds of the series.

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@Xantec - "PHLOX: I am the Chief Medical Officer on this ship and I am going to treat Ensign Mayweather. Then I'm going back to bed."; chakoteya.net/Enterprise/25.htm

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@Xantec - "PHLOX: I am the Chief Medical Officer on this ship and I am going to treat Ensign Mayweather. Then I'm going back to bed."; chakoteya.net/Enterprise/25.htm

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@Richard That may or may not be indicative of a commission. T'Pol was the ship's Science Officer even though she was still a member of the High Command.

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If you're referring to the Earth Starfleet shown in "Enterprise" (e.g. which predates the UFP) then the strongest contender is Doctor Phlox, followed by T'Pol.



Although Phlox is on an "exchange program" he readily identifies himself as the ship's Chief Medical Officer and was in that capacity well before T'Pol agrees to join the Enterprise' crew.



T'Pol also becomes a member of the crew (after resigning from the Vulcan High Command) and retains her rank and station as Second-in-Command and Science Officer of the Enterprise although it's not clear whether she also holds a honorary (or field) Starfleet rank in that capacity.



Phlox and Tpol



If you're referring to the Federation Starfleet then that comprises a fleet of ships representing all the worlds of the Federation, not just Earth.



Per the Federation Charter mentioned in the excellent (and semi-canonical) "Starfleet Technical Manual", the founding members of the Federation each contributed ships to the first fleet, with a range of heavy cruisers and support vessels then being custom-built to supplement (and eventually replace) those initial vessels.



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In-universe, Worf was the first Klingon to join Starfleet, Nog is the first Ferenghi, Ro Laren is the first Bajoran, etc etc.






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  • I think you're quoting Franz Joseph's "Star Fleet Technical Manual" (if so, you should credit it), which was published before the Enterprise series and is not clearly canon. Enterprise established that Starfleet predates the Federation. And the mention of Star Fleet in the charter could (and probably does) indicate an incorporation of the existing Star Fleet under the Federation.

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  • @KeithThompson - It's semi-canon since the book was used as the basis for a wide range of trek episodes from all series and the films

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  • @KeithThompson The quoted Article isn't counter to Enterprise. Even if Starfleet predates the Federation, the star fleet of Starfleet still had to come from somewhere. The quoted Article merely clarifies that the original star fleet was drawn from the fleets of the founding planets. Five warp-5 ships on solo exploratory missions wouldn't be capable of securing the sovereign space of the charter members. Not to mention that initially other races may not want human crewed ships responsible for their protection.

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  • Sure, but we saw a pre-Federation Starfleet in "Enterprise", with at least two non-human crew members (Phlox and T'Pol).

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T'Pol and Phlox were never full members of Starfleet as evidenced by the fact that neither of them were ever allowed to wear Starfleet uniforms. After leaving the Vulcan High Command T'Pol retained the position of first officer, but it is stated that her "position is a unique one" within Starfleet probably due to the fact that she never attended Starfleet Academy. Of course, Enterprise controversially retconned a lot of the original series, so Spock's may not be the first Vulcan in Starfleet in this new universe.



Starfleet predated the Federation and was a human idea - one of the many "outside the box" ideas that humans tend to have that Vulcans and other isolationist races would never think of.



Before the retcon that allowed Enterprise to exist, there could have been many "firsts". The USS Intrepid during the TOS era was crewed completely by Vulcans and was a Starfleet vessel - the inference is that all of the Vulcan crew had attended the academy and were Starfleet officers. This does not conflict with the often stated claim that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet - bear in mind he had been in Starfleet for 20 years or so by the time the original series started. The animated series included a lot of other races as well (since they were easier to animate than create in a live action series) but Gene R famously declared that series apocryphal.



In summary, in the post-Enterprise retcon, T'Pol is now the first alien in Starfleet but in the original universe Spock likely was the first as claimed during that series.






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    Spock was not the first full blooded alien in Starfleet. He was half human.



    Captain Garth of Izar who was kirk's idol when Kirk as at the academy looks human but apparently is native to the star Izar. Since Garth looks so human, it is possible that other human looking starfleet members are also aliens.




    KIRK: I'm sorry, Lord Garth.
    GARTH: You Earth people are a stiff necked lot, aren't you?




    And the captain and/or other senior officers of the USS Intrepid probably joined starfleet before Spock.




    UHURA: Captain. There was a message from Starbase Six. Heavy interference. All I get is Intrepid and what sounded like a sector co-ordinate.
    SPOCK: Interesting. No indications of magnetic storms in this sector.
    KIRK: Try another channel, Lieutenant.
    UHURA: Aye, sir.
    MCCOY: The Intrepid is manned by Vulcans, isn't it?




    Commander Sonak in Star Trek: The Motion Picture may have joined Starfleet about the same time as Spock or possibly earlier.



    In the Alternate universe of "Mirror, Mirror" Three may be other Vulcans on the Enterprise:




    SPOCK: If I am successful, you see yourself a step nearer to the captaincy. I do not want to command the Enterprise, but if it should befall me, I suggest you remember that my operatives would avenge my death and some of them are Vulcans.




    And I think I saw a Vulcan with Spock. Some of them may have joined starfleet in the main universe.






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    If you're referring to the Earth Starfleet shown in "Enterprise" (e.g. which predates the UFP) then the strongest contender is Doctor Phlox, followed by T'Pol.



    Although Phlox is on an "exchange program" he readily identifies himself as the ship's Chief Medical Officer and was in that capacity well before T'Pol agrees to join the Enterprise' crew.



    T'Pol also becomes a member of the crew (after resigning from the Vulcan High Command) and retains her rank and station as Second-in-Command and Science Officer of the Enterprise although it's not clear whether she also holds a honorary (or field) Starfleet rank in that capacity.



    Phlox and Tpol



    If you're referring to the Federation Starfleet then that comprises a fleet of ships representing all the worlds of the Federation, not just Earth.



    Per the Federation Charter mentioned in the excellent (and semi-canonical) "Starfleet Technical Manual", the founding members of the Federation each contributed ships to the first fleet, with a range of heavy cruisers and support vessels then being custom-built to supplement (and eventually replace) those initial vessels.



    Federation Charter



    In-universe, Worf was the first Klingon to join Starfleet, Nog is the first Ferenghi, Ro Laren is the first Bajoran, etc etc.






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    • I think you're quoting Franz Joseph's "Star Fleet Technical Manual" (if so, you should credit it), which was published before the Enterprise series and is not clearly canon. Enterprise established that Starfleet predates the Federation. And the mention of Star Fleet in the charter could (and probably does) indicate an incorporation of the existing Star Fleet under the Federation.

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    • @KeithThompson - It's semi-canon since the book was used as the basis for a wide range of trek episodes from all series and the films

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    • @KeithThompson The quoted Article isn't counter to Enterprise. Even if Starfleet predates the Federation, the star fleet of Starfleet still had to come from somewhere. The quoted Article merely clarifies that the original star fleet was drawn from the fleets of the founding planets. Five warp-5 ships on solo exploratory missions wouldn't be capable of securing the sovereign space of the charter members. Not to mention that initially other races may not want human crewed ships responsible for their protection.

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    • Sure, but we saw a pre-Federation Starfleet in "Enterprise", with at least two non-human crew members (Phlox and T'Pol).

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    If you're referring to the Earth Starfleet shown in "Enterprise" (e.g. which predates the UFP) then the strongest contender is Doctor Phlox, followed by T'Pol.



    Although Phlox is on an "exchange program" he readily identifies himself as the ship's Chief Medical Officer and was in that capacity well before T'Pol agrees to join the Enterprise' crew.



    T'Pol also becomes a member of the crew (after resigning from the Vulcan High Command) and retains her rank and station as Second-in-Command and Science Officer of the Enterprise although it's not clear whether she also holds a honorary (or field) Starfleet rank in that capacity.



    Phlox and Tpol



    If you're referring to the Federation Starfleet then that comprises a fleet of ships representing all the worlds of the Federation, not just Earth.



    Per the Federation Charter mentioned in the excellent (and semi-canonical) "Starfleet Technical Manual", the founding members of the Federation each contributed ships to the first fleet, with a range of heavy cruisers and support vessels then being custom-built to supplement (and eventually replace) those initial vessels.



    Federation Charter



    In-universe, Worf was the first Klingon to join Starfleet, Nog is the first Ferenghi, Ro Laren is the first Bajoran, etc etc.






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    • I think you're quoting Franz Joseph's "Star Fleet Technical Manual" (if so, you should credit it), which was published before the Enterprise series and is not clearly canon. Enterprise established that Starfleet predates the Federation. And the mention of Star Fleet in the charter could (and probably does) indicate an incorporation of the existing Star Fleet under the Federation.

      – Keith Thompson
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    • @KeithThompson - It's semi-canon since the book was used as the basis for a wide range of trek episodes from all series and the films

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    • @KeithThompson The quoted Article isn't counter to Enterprise. Even if Starfleet predates the Federation, the star fleet of Starfleet still had to come from somewhere. The quoted Article merely clarifies that the original star fleet was drawn from the fleets of the founding planets. Five warp-5 ships on solo exploratory missions wouldn't be capable of securing the sovereign space of the charter members. Not to mention that initially other races may not want human crewed ships responsible for their protection.

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    • Sure, but we saw a pre-Federation Starfleet in "Enterprise", with at least two non-human crew members (Phlox and T'Pol).

      – Keith Thompson
      Mar 17 '14 at 20:19











    • Didn't even know starfleet predated human involvement...that being the case, I fully embrace this answer.

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    If you're referring to the Earth Starfleet shown in "Enterprise" (e.g. which predates the UFP) then the strongest contender is Doctor Phlox, followed by T'Pol.



    Although Phlox is on an "exchange program" he readily identifies himself as the ship's Chief Medical Officer and was in that capacity well before T'Pol agrees to join the Enterprise' crew.



    T'Pol also becomes a member of the crew (after resigning from the Vulcan High Command) and retains her rank and station as Second-in-Command and Science Officer of the Enterprise although it's not clear whether she also holds a honorary (or field) Starfleet rank in that capacity.



    Phlox and Tpol



    If you're referring to the Federation Starfleet then that comprises a fleet of ships representing all the worlds of the Federation, not just Earth.



    Per the Federation Charter mentioned in the excellent (and semi-canonical) "Starfleet Technical Manual", the founding members of the Federation each contributed ships to the first fleet, with a range of heavy cruisers and support vessels then being custom-built to supplement (and eventually replace) those initial vessels.



    Federation Charter



    In-universe, Worf was the first Klingon to join Starfleet, Nog is the first Ferenghi, Ro Laren is the first Bajoran, etc etc.






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    If you're referring to the Earth Starfleet shown in "Enterprise" (e.g. which predates the UFP) then the strongest contender is Doctor Phlox, followed by T'Pol.



    Although Phlox is on an "exchange program" he readily identifies himself as the ship's Chief Medical Officer and was in that capacity well before T'Pol agrees to join the Enterprise' crew.



    T'Pol also becomes a member of the crew (after resigning from the Vulcan High Command) and retains her rank and station as Second-in-Command and Science Officer of the Enterprise although it's not clear whether she also holds a honorary (or field) Starfleet rank in that capacity.



    Phlox and Tpol



    If you're referring to the Federation Starfleet then that comprises a fleet of ships representing all the worlds of the Federation, not just Earth.



    Per the Federation Charter mentioned in the excellent (and semi-canonical) "Starfleet Technical Manual", the founding members of the Federation each contributed ships to the first fleet, with a range of heavy cruisers and support vessels then being custom-built to supplement (and eventually replace) those initial vessels.



    Federation Charter



    In-universe, Worf was the first Klingon to join Starfleet, Nog is the first Ferenghi, Ro Laren is the first Bajoran, etc etc.







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    • I think you're quoting Franz Joseph's "Star Fleet Technical Manual" (if so, you should credit it), which was published before the Enterprise series and is not clearly canon. Enterprise established that Starfleet predates the Federation. And the mention of Star Fleet in the charter could (and probably does) indicate an incorporation of the existing Star Fleet under the Federation.

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    • @KeithThompson - It's semi-canon since the book was used as the basis for a wide range of trek episodes from all series and the films

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    • @KeithThompson The quoted Article isn't counter to Enterprise. Even if Starfleet predates the Federation, the star fleet of Starfleet still had to come from somewhere. The quoted Article merely clarifies that the original star fleet was drawn from the fleets of the founding planets. Five warp-5 ships on solo exploratory missions wouldn't be capable of securing the sovereign space of the charter members. Not to mention that initially other races may not want human crewed ships responsible for their protection.

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    • Sure, but we saw a pre-Federation Starfleet in "Enterprise", with at least two non-human crew members (Phlox and T'Pol).

      – Keith Thompson
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    • Didn't even know starfleet predated human involvement...that being the case, I fully embrace this answer.

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    • I think you're quoting Franz Joseph's "Star Fleet Technical Manual" (if so, you should credit it), which was published before the Enterprise series and is not clearly canon. Enterprise established that Starfleet predates the Federation. And the mention of Star Fleet in the charter could (and probably does) indicate an incorporation of the existing Star Fleet under the Federation.

      – Keith Thompson
      Mar 17 '14 at 20:13













    • @KeithThompson - It's semi-canon since the book was used as the basis for a wide range of trek episodes from all series and the films

      – Valorum
      Mar 17 '14 at 20:16











    • @KeithThompson The quoted Article isn't counter to Enterprise. Even if Starfleet predates the Federation, the star fleet of Starfleet still had to come from somewhere. The quoted Article merely clarifies that the original star fleet was drawn from the fleets of the founding planets. Five warp-5 ships on solo exploratory missions wouldn't be capable of securing the sovereign space of the charter members. Not to mention that initially other races may not want human crewed ships responsible for their protection.

      – Xantec
      Mar 17 '14 at 20:19













    • Sure, but we saw a pre-Federation Starfleet in "Enterprise", with at least two non-human crew members (Phlox and T'Pol).

      – Keith Thompson
      Mar 17 '14 at 20:19











    • Didn't even know starfleet predated human involvement...that being the case, I fully embrace this answer.

      – Zibbobz
      Mar 17 '14 at 20:19

















    I think you're quoting Franz Joseph's "Star Fleet Technical Manual" (if so, you should credit it), which was published before the Enterprise series and is not clearly canon. Enterprise established that Starfleet predates the Federation. And the mention of Star Fleet in the charter could (and probably does) indicate an incorporation of the existing Star Fleet under the Federation.

    – Keith Thompson
    Mar 17 '14 at 20:13







    I think you're quoting Franz Joseph's "Star Fleet Technical Manual" (if so, you should credit it), which was published before the Enterprise series and is not clearly canon. Enterprise established that Starfleet predates the Federation. And the mention of Star Fleet in the charter could (and probably does) indicate an incorporation of the existing Star Fleet under the Federation.

    – Keith Thompson
    Mar 17 '14 at 20:13















    @KeithThompson - It's semi-canon since the book was used as the basis for a wide range of trek episodes from all series and the films

    – Valorum
    Mar 17 '14 at 20:16





    @KeithThompson - It's semi-canon since the book was used as the basis for a wide range of trek episodes from all series and the films

    – Valorum
    Mar 17 '14 at 20:16













    @KeithThompson The quoted Article isn't counter to Enterprise. Even if Starfleet predates the Federation, the star fleet of Starfleet still had to come from somewhere. The quoted Article merely clarifies that the original star fleet was drawn from the fleets of the founding planets. Five warp-5 ships on solo exploratory missions wouldn't be capable of securing the sovereign space of the charter members. Not to mention that initially other races may not want human crewed ships responsible for their protection.

    – Xantec
    Mar 17 '14 at 20:19







    @KeithThompson The quoted Article isn't counter to Enterprise. Even if Starfleet predates the Federation, the star fleet of Starfleet still had to come from somewhere. The quoted Article merely clarifies that the original star fleet was drawn from the fleets of the founding planets. Five warp-5 ships on solo exploratory missions wouldn't be capable of securing the sovereign space of the charter members. Not to mention that initially other races may not want human crewed ships responsible for their protection.

    – Xantec
    Mar 17 '14 at 20:19















    Sure, but we saw a pre-Federation Starfleet in "Enterprise", with at least two non-human crew members (Phlox and T'Pol).

    – Keith Thompson
    Mar 17 '14 at 20:19





    Sure, but we saw a pre-Federation Starfleet in "Enterprise", with at least two non-human crew members (Phlox and T'Pol).

    – Keith Thompson
    Mar 17 '14 at 20:19













    Didn't even know starfleet predated human involvement...that being the case, I fully embrace this answer.

    – Zibbobz
    Mar 17 '14 at 20:19





    Didn't even know starfleet predated human involvement...that being the case, I fully embrace this answer.

    – Zibbobz
    Mar 17 '14 at 20:19













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    T'Pol and Phlox were never full members of Starfleet as evidenced by the fact that neither of them were ever allowed to wear Starfleet uniforms. After leaving the Vulcan High Command T'Pol retained the position of first officer, but it is stated that her "position is a unique one" within Starfleet probably due to the fact that she never attended Starfleet Academy. Of course, Enterprise controversially retconned a lot of the original series, so Spock's may not be the first Vulcan in Starfleet in this new universe.



    Starfleet predated the Federation and was a human idea - one of the many "outside the box" ideas that humans tend to have that Vulcans and other isolationist races would never think of.



    Before the retcon that allowed Enterprise to exist, there could have been many "firsts". The USS Intrepid during the TOS era was crewed completely by Vulcans and was a Starfleet vessel - the inference is that all of the Vulcan crew had attended the academy and were Starfleet officers. This does not conflict with the often stated claim that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet - bear in mind he had been in Starfleet for 20 years or so by the time the original series started. The animated series included a lot of other races as well (since they were easier to animate than create in a live action series) but Gene R famously declared that series apocryphal.



    In summary, in the post-Enterprise retcon, T'Pol is now the first alien in Starfleet but in the original universe Spock likely was the first as claimed during that series.






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      T'Pol and Phlox were never full members of Starfleet as evidenced by the fact that neither of them were ever allowed to wear Starfleet uniforms. After leaving the Vulcan High Command T'Pol retained the position of first officer, but it is stated that her "position is a unique one" within Starfleet probably due to the fact that she never attended Starfleet Academy. Of course, Enterprise controversially retconned a lot of the original series, so Spock's may not be the first Vulcan in Starfleet in this new universe.



      Starfleet predated the Federation and was a human idea - one of the many "outside the box" ideas that humans tend to have that Vulcans and other isolationist races would never think of.



      Before the retcon that allowed Enterprise to exist, there could have been many "firsts". The USS Intrepid during the TOS era was crewed completely by Vulcans and was a Starfleet vessel - the inference is that all of the Vulcan crew had attended the academy and were Starfleet officers. This does not conflict with the often stated claim that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet - bear in mind he had been in Starfleet for 20 years or so by the time the original series started. The animated series included a lot of other races as well (since they were easier to animate than create in a live action series) but Gene R famously declared that series apocryphal.



      In summary, in the post-Enterprise retcon, T'Pol is now the first alien in Starfleet but in the original universe Spock likely was the first as claimed during that series.






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        T'Pol and Phlox were never full members of Starfleet as evidenced by the fact that neither of them were ever allowed to wear Starfleet uniforms. After leaving the Vulcan High Command T'Pol retained the position of first officer, but it is stated that her "position is a unique one" within Starfleet probably due to the fact that she never attended Starfleet Academy. Of course, Enterprise controversially retconned a lot of the original series, so Spock's may not be the first Vulcan in Starfleet in this new universe.



        Starfleet predated the Federation and was a human idea - one of the many "outside the box" ideas that humans tend to have that Vulcans and other isolationist races would never think of.



        Before the retcon that allowed Enterprise to exist, there could have been many "firsts". The USS Intrepid during the TOS era was crewed completely by Vulcans and was a Starfleet vessel - the inference is that all of the Vulcan crew had attended the academy and were Starfleet officers. This does not conflict with the often stated claim that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet - bear in mind he had been in Starfleet for 20 years or so by the time the original series started. The animated series included a lot of other races as well (since they were easier to animate than create in a live action series) but Gene R famously declared that series apocryphal.



        In summary, in the post-Enterprise retcon, T'Pol is now the first alien in Starfleet but in the original universe Spock likely was the first as claimed during that series.






        share|improve this answer













        T'Pol and Phlox were never full members of Starfleet as evidenced by the fact that neither of them were ever allowed to wear Starfleet uniforms. After leaving the Vulcan High Command T'Pol retained the position of first officer, but it is stated that her "position is a unique one" within Starfleet probably due to the fact that she never attended Starfleet Academy. Of course, Enterprise controversially retconned a lot of the original series, so Spock's may not be the first Vulcan in Starfleet in this new universe.



        Starfleet predated the Federation and was a human idea - one of the many "outside the box" ideas that humans tend to have that Vulcans and other isolationist races would never think of.



        Before the retcon that allowed Enterprise to exist, there could have been many "firsts". The USS Intrepid during the TOS era was crewed completely by Vulcans and was a Starfleet vessel - the inference is that all of the Vulcan crew had attended the academy and were Starfleet officers. This does not conflict with the often stated claim that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet - bear in mind he had been in Starfleet for 20 years or so by the time the original series started. The animated series included a lot of other races as well (since they were easier to animate than create in a live action series) but Gene R famously declared that series apocryphal.



        In summary, in the post-Enterprise retcon, T'Pol is now the first alien in Starfleet but in the original universe Spock likely was the first as claimed during that series.







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            Spock was not the first full blooded alien in Starfleet. He was half human.



            Captain Garth of Izar who was kirk's idol when Kirk as at the academy looks human but apparently is native to the star Izar. Since Garth looks so human, it is possible that other human looking starfleet members are also aliens.




            KIRK: I'm sorry, Lord Garth.
            GARTH: You Earth people are a stiff necked lot, aren't you?




            And the captain and/or other senior officers of the USS Intrepid probably joined starfleet before Spock.




            UHURA: Captain. There was a message from Starbase Six. Heavy interference. All I get is Intrepid and what sounded like a sector co-ordinate.
            SPOCK: Interesting. No indications of magnetic storms in this sector.
            KIRK: Try another channel, Lieutenant.
            UHURA: Aye, sir.
            MCCOY: The Intrepid is manned by Vulcans, isn't it?




            Commander Sonak in Star Trek: The Motion Picture may have joined Starfleet about the same time as Spock or possibly earlier.



            In the Alternate universe of "Mirror, Mirror" Three may be other Vulcans on the Enterprise:




            SPOCK: If I am successful, you see yourself a step nearer to the captaincy. I do not want to command the Enterprise, but if it should befall me, I suggest you remember that my operatives would avenge my death and some of them are Vulcans.




            And I think I saw a Vulcan with Spock. Some of them may have joined starfleet in the main universe.






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            • Garth is human, he's just from Izar, which is a human colony world.

              – Mark Beadles
              Feb 22 at 19:42
















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            Spock was not the first full blooded alien in Starfleet. He was half human.



            Captain Garth of Izar who was kirk's idol when Kirk as at the academy looks human but apparently is native to the star Izar. Since Garth looks so human, it is possible that other human looking starfleet members are also aliens.




            KIRK: I'm sorry, Lord Garth.
            GARTH: You Earth people are a stiff necked lot, aren't you?




            And the captain and/or other senior officers of the USS Intrepid probably joined starfleet before Spock.




            UHURA: Captain. There was a message from Starbase Six. Heavy interference. All I get is Intrepid and what sounded like a sector co-ordinate.
            SPOCK: Interesting. No indications of magnetic storms in this sector.
            KIRK: Try another channel, Lieutenant.
            UHURA: Aye, sir.
            MCCOY: The Intrepid is manned by Vulcans, isn't it?




            Commander Sonak in Star Trek: The Motion Picture may have joined Starfleet about the same time as Spock or possibly earlier.



            In the Alternate universe of "Mirror, Mirror" Three may be other Vulcans on the Enterprise:




            SPOCK: If I am successful, you see yourself a step nearer to the captaincy. I do not want to command the Enterprise, but if it should befall me, I suggest you remember that my operatives would avenge my death and some of them are Vulcans.




            And I think I saw a Vulcan with Spock. Some of them may have joined starfleet in the main universe.






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              – DBPriGuy
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            • @amaranth good to know :)

              – DBPriGuy
              Dec 31 '16 at 6:04











            • Garth is human, he's just from Izar, which is a human colony world.

              – Mark Beadles
              Feb 22 at 19:42














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            1








            1







            Spock was not the first full blooded alien in Starfleet. He was half human.



            Captain Garth of Izar who was kirk's idol when Kirk as at the academy looks human but apparently is native to the star Izar. Since Garth looks so human, it is possible that other human looking starfleet members are also aliens.




            KIRK: I'm sorry, Lord Garth.
            GARTH: You Earth people are a stiff necked lot, aren't you?




            And the captain and/or other senior officers of the USS Intrepid probably joined starfleet before Spock.




            UHURA: Captain. There was a message from Starbase Six. Heavy interference. All I get is Intrepid and what sounded like a sector co-ordinate.
            SPOCK: Interesting. No indications of magnetic storms in this sector.
            KIRK: Try another channel, Lieutenant.
            UHURA: Aye, sir.
            MCCOY: The Intrepid is manned by Vulcans, isn't it?




            Commander Sonak in Star Trek: The Motion Picture may have joined Starfleet about the same time as Spock or possibly earlier.



            In the Alternate universe of "Mirror, Mirror" Three may be other Vulcans on the Enterprise:




            SPOCK: If I am successful, you see yourself a step nearer to the captaincy. I do not want to command the Enterprise, but if it should befall me, I suggest you remember that my operatives would avenge my death and some of them are Vulcans.




            And I think I saw a Vulcan with Spock. Some of them may have joined starfleet in the main universe.






            share|improve this answer













            Spock was not the first full blooded alien in Starfleet. He was half human.



            Captain Garth of Izar who was kirk's idol when Kirk as at the academy looks human but apparently is native to the star Izar. Since Garth looks so human, it is possible that other human looking starfleet members are also aliens.




            KIRK: I'm sorry, Lord Garth.
            GARTH: You Earth people are a stiff necked lot, aren't you?




            And the captain and/or other senior officers of the USS Intrepid probably joined starfleet before Spock.




            UHURA: Captain. There was a message from Starbase Six. Heavy interference. All I get is Intrepid and what sounded like a sector co-ordinate.
            SPOCK: Interesting. No indications of magnetic storms in this sector.
            KIRK: Try another channel, Lieutenant.
            UHURA: Aye, sir.
            MCCOY: The Intrepid is manned by Vulcans, isn't it?




            Commander Sonak in Star Trek: The Motion Picture may have joined Starfleet about the same time as Spock or possibly earlier.



            In the Alternate universe of "Mirror, Mirror" Three may be other Vulcans on the Enterprise:




            SPOCK: If I am successful, you see yourself a step nearer to the captaincy. I do not want to command the Enterprise, but if it should befall me, I suggest you remember that my operatives would avenge my death and some of them are Vulcans.




            And I think I saw a Vulcan with Spock. Some of them may have joined starfleet in the main universe.







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              – DBPriGuy
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            • Garth is human, he's just from Izar, which is a human colony world.

              – Mark Beadles
              Feb 22 at 19:42














            • 1





              Nice answer, and welcome to the SciFi and Fantasy StackExchange!

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            • 1





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            • @amaranth good to know :)

              – DBPriGuy
              Dec 31 '16 at 6:04











            • Garth is human, he's just from Izar, which is a human colony world.

              – Mark Beadles
              Feb 22 at 19:42








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            Nice answer, and welcome to the SciFi and Fantasy StackExchange!

            – DBPriGuy
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            Nice answer, and welcome to the SciFi and Fantasy StackExchange!

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            1




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            @DBPriGuy He’s been here for years. He just never registers an account.

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            – Molag Bal
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            @amaranth good to know :)

            – DBPriGuy
            Dec 31 '16 at 6:04





            @amaranth good to know :)

            – DBPriGuy
            Dec 31 '16 at 6:04













            Garth is human, he's just from Izar, which is a human colony world.

            – Mark Beadles
            Feb 22 at 19:42





            Garth is human, he's just from Izar, which is a human colony world.

            – Mark Beadles
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