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I need to find the potential function of a vector field.



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I was given F = (y+z)i + (x+z)j + (x+y)k. I found said field to be conservative, and I integrated the x partial derivative and got f(x,y,z) = xy + xz + g(y,z). The thing is that I am trying to find g(y,z), and I ended up with something that was expressed in terms of x, y and z (I got x+z-xy-xz). I don't know what to do with this information not that I arrived at something expressed in all three variables.






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    I was given F = (y+z)i + (x+z)j + (x+y)k. I found said field to be conservative, and I integrated the x partial derivative and got f(x,y,z) = xy + xz + g(y,z). The thing is that I am trying to find g(y,z), and I ended up with something that was expressed in terms of x, y and z (I got x+z-xy-xz). I don't know what to do with this information not that I arrived at something expressed in all three variables.






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      I was given F = (y+z)i + (x+z)j + (x+y)k. I found said field to be conservative, and I integrated the x partial derivative and got f(x,y,z) = xy + xz + g(y,z). The thing is that I am trying to find g(y,z), and I ended up with something that was expressed in terms of x, y and z (I got x+z-xy-xz). I don't know what to do with this information not that I arrived at something expressed in all three variables.






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      I was given F = (y+z)i + (x+z)j + (x+y)k. I found said field to be conservative, and I integrated the x partial derivative and got f(x,y,z) = xy + xz + g(y,z). The thing is that I am trying to find g(y,z), and I ended up with something that was expressed in terms of x, y and z (I got x+z-xy-xz). I don't know what to do with this information not that I arrived at something expressed in all three variables.






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          You have $frac{partial f}{partial x}= y+ z$ so that $f(x,y,z)= xy+ xz+ g(y,z)$. (Since the differentiation with respect to x treat y and z as constants, the "constant of integration" might in fact be a function of y and z. That is the "g(y, z)".)



          Differentiating that with respect to y, $frac{partial f}{partial y}= x+ g_y(y, z)= x+ z$ so that $g_y= z$ and $g(y, z)= yz+ h(z)$.



          So f(x,y,z)= xy+ xz+ yz+ h(z). Differentiating that with respect to z, $frac{partial f}{partial z}= x+ y+ h'(z)= x+ y$ so that h'(z)= 0. h is a constant, C so that we get f(x, y, z)= xy+ xz+ yz+ C.






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            So far, we have $f(x,y,z) = xy + xz + g(y,z)$. Taking $frac{partial f}{partial x}$ gives us the $x$-component of $textbf{F}$. To get similar $y$ and $z$-components, we suspect that $g(y,z)$ should be similar to the other terms in $f(x,y,z)$ in some sense. The natural guess is $g(y,z) = yz$, since the other terms in $f(x,y,z)$ are each multiplications of two different independent variables. It can then be verified that the guess for $g$ produces the correct vector field, by computing $nabla f$.



            We now know that we have determined the potential function up to a constant, since if two scalar fields have the same gradient, then they differ by a constant.



            A note of caution: sometimes the convention for what is meant by a potential function for a vector field $mathbf{F}$, is a scalar field $f$ such that $mathbf{F} = - nabla f$. Beware!






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              You have $frac{partial f}{partial x}= y+ z$ so that $f(x,y,z)= xy+ xz+ g(y,z)$. (Since the differentiation with respect to x treat y and z as constants, the "constant of integration" might in fact be a function of y and z. That is the "g(y, z)".)



              Differentiating that with respect to y, $frac{partial f}{partial y}= x+ g_y(y, z)= x+ z$ so that $g_y= z$ and $g(y, z)= yz+ h(z)$.



              So f(x,y,z)= xy+ xz+ yz+ h(z). Differentiating that with respect to z, $frac{partial f}{partial z}= x+ y+ h'(z)= x+ y$ so that h'(z)= 0. h is a constant, C so that we get f(x, y, z)= xy+ xz+ yz+ C.






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                You have $frac{partial f}{partial x}= y+ z$ so that $f(x,y,z)= xy+ xz+ g(y,z)$. (Since the differentiation with respect to x treat y and z as constants, the "constant of integration" might in fact be a function of y and z. That is the "g(y, z)".)



                Differentiating that with respect to y, $frac{partial f}{partial y}= x+ g_y(y, z)= x+ z$ so that $g_y= z$ and $g(y, z)= yz+ h(z)$.



                So f(x,y,z)= xy+ xz+ yz+ h(z). Differentiating that with respect to z, $frac{partial f}{partial z}= x+ y+ h'(z)= x+ y$ so that h'(z)= 0. h is a constant, C so that we get f(x, y, z)= xy+ xz+ yz+ C.






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                  You have $frac{partial f}{partial x}= y+ z$ so that $f(x,y,z)= xy+ xz+ g(y,z)$. (Since the differentiation with respect to x treat y and z as constants, the "constant of integration" might in fact be a function of y and z. That is the "g(y, z)".)



                  Differentiating that with respect to y, $frac{partial f}{partial y}= x+ g_y(y, z)= x+ z$ so that $g_y= z$ and $g(y, z)= yz+ h(z)$.



                  So f(x,y,z)= xy+ xz+ yz+ h(z). Differentiating that with respect to z, $frac{partial f}{partial z}= x+ y+ h'(z)= x+ y$ so that h'(z)= 0. h is a constant, C so that we get f(x, y, z)= xy+ xz+ yz+ C.






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                  You have $frac{partial f}{partial x}= y+ z$ so that $f(x,y,z)= xy+ xz+ g(y,z)$. (Since the differentiation with respect to x treat y and z as constants, the "constant of integration" might in fact be a function of y and z. That is the "g(y, z)".)



                  Differentiating that with respect to y, $frac{partial f}{partial y}= x+ g_y(y, z)= x+ z$ so that $g_y= z$ and $g(y, z)= yz+ h(z)$.



                  So f(x,y,z)= xy+ xz+ yz+ h(z). Differentiating that with respect to z, $frac{partial f}{partial z}= x+ y+ h'(z)= x+ y$ so that h'(z)= 0. h is a constant, C so that we get f(x, y, z)= xy+ xz+ yz+ C.







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                      So far, we have $f(x,y,z) = xy + xz + g(y,z)$. Taking $frac{partial f}{partial x}$ gives us the $x$-component of $textbf{F}$. To get similar $y$ and $z$-components, we suspect that $g(y,z)$ should be similar to the other terms in $f(x,y,z)$ in some sense. The natural guess is $g(y,z) = yz$, since the other terms in $f(x,y,z)$ are each multiplications of two different independent variables. It can then be verified that the guess for $g$ produces the correct vector field, by computing $nabla f$.



                      We now know that we have determined the potential function up to a constant, since if two scalar fields have the same gradient, then they differ by a constant.



                      A note of caution: sometimes the convention for what is meant by a potential function for a vector field $mathbf{F}$, is a scalar field $f$ such that $mathbf{F} = - nabla f$. Beware!






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                        So far, we have $f(x,y,z) = xy + xz + g(y,z)$. Taking $frac{partial f}{partial x}$ gives us the $x$-component of $textbf{F}$. To get similar $y$ and $z$-components, we suspect that $g(y,z)$ should be similar to the other terms in $f(x,y,z)$ in some sense. The natural guess is $g(y,z) = yz$, since the other terms in $f(x,y,z)$ are each multiplications of two different independent variables. It can then be verified that the guess for $g$ produces the correct vector field, by computing $nabla f$.



                        We now know that we have determined the potential function up to a constant, since if two scalar fields have the same gradient, then they differ by a constant.



                        A note of caution: sometimes the convention for what is meant by a potential function for a vector field $mathbf{F}$, is a scalar field $f$ such that $mathbf{F} = - nabla f$. Beware!






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                          So far, we have $f(x,y,z) = xy + xz + g(y,z)$. Taking $frac{partial f}{partial x}$ gives us the $x$-component of $textbf{F}$. To get similar $y$ and $z$-components, we suspect that $g(y,z)$ should be similar to the other terms in $f(x,y,z)$ in some sense. The natural guess is $g(y,z) = yz$, since the other terms in $f(x,y,z)$ are each multiplications of two different independent variables. It can then be verified that the guess for $g$ produces the correct vector field, by computing $nabla f$.



                          We now know that we have determined the potential function up to a constant, since if two scalar fields have the same gradient, then they differ by a constant.



                          A note of caution: sometimes the convention for what is meant by a potential function for a vector field $mathbf{F}$, is a scalar field $f$ such that $mathbf{F} = - nabla f$. Beware!






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                          So far, we have $f(x,y,z) = xy + xz + g(y,z)$. Taking $frac{partial f}{partial x}$ gives us the $x$-component of $textbf{F}$. To get similar $y$ and $z$-components, we suspect that $g(y,z)$ should be similar to the other terms in $f(x,y,z)$ in some sense. The natural guess is $g(y,z) = yz$, since the other terms in $f(x,y,z)$ are each multiplications of two different independent variables. It can then be verified that the guess for $g$ produces the correct vector field, by computing $nabla f$.



                          We now know that we have determined the potential function up to a constant, since if two scalar fields have the same gradient, then they differ by a constant.



                          A note of caution: sometimes the convention for what is meant by a potential function for a vector field $mathbf{F}$, is a scalar field $f$ such that $mathbf{F} = - nabla f$. Beware!







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