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Considering that he's performed exceptionally for many years, has proven leadership capabilities and is highly intelligent, why haven't they given him a higher rank?
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Considering that he's performed exceptionally for many years, has proven leadership capabilities and is highly intelligent, why haven't they given him a higher rank?
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Because Colonel America doesn't sound as good as Captain America?
– Ayrx
May 31 '14 at 15:57
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He was Colonel America in the Marvel Zombie universe. It...ended badly.
– Jeff
May 31 '14 at 17:13
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I suspect that it's the same reason that Captain Crunch has never been promoted. (Except in Futurama, but that's a cartoon.)
– Wayne
Jun 1 '14 at 0:45
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Well, he's not really a Captain to begin with... sooo
– 22nd Century Fza
Jun 1 '14 at 5:45
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So Colonel Sanders outranks Captain America? That's not cool.
– coburne
Jun 2 '14 at 13:11
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Considering that he's performed exceptionally for many years, has proven leadership capabilities and is highly intelligent, why haven't they given him a higher rank?
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Considering that he's performed exceptionally for many years, has proven leadership capabilities and is highly intelligent, why haven't they given him a higher rank?
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Because Colonel America doesn't sound as good as Captain America?
– Ayrx
May 31 '14 at 15:57
14
He was Colonel America in the Marvel Zombie universe. It...ended badly.
– Jeff
May 31 '14 at 17:13
4
I suspect that it's the same reason that Captain Crunch has never been promoted. (Except in Futurama, but that's a cartoon.)
– Wayne
Jun 1 '14 at 0:45
5
Well, he's not really a Captain to begin with... sooo
– 22nd Century Fza
Jun 1 '14 at 5:45
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So Colonel Sanders outranks Captain America? That's not cool.
– coburne
Jun 2 '14 at 13:11
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Because Colonel America doesn't sound as good as Captain America?
– Ayrx
May 31 '14 at 15:57
14
He was Colonel America in the Marvel Zombie universe. It...ended badly.
– Jeff
May 31 '14 at 17:13
4
I suspect that it's the same reason that Captain Crunch has never been promoted. (Except in Futurama, but that's a cartoon.)
– Wayne
Jun 1 '14 at 0:45
5
Well, he's not really a Captain to begin with... sooo
– 22nd Century Fza
Jun 1 '14 at 5:45
5
So Colonel Sanders outranks Captain America? That's not cool.
– coburne
Jun 2 '14 at 13:11
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46
Because Colonel America doesn't sound as good as Captain America?
– Ayrx
May 31 '14 at 15:57
Because Colonel America doesn't sound as good as Captain America?
– Ayrx
May 31 '14 at 15:57
14
14
He was Colonel America in the Marvel Zombie universe. It...ended badly.
– Jeff
May 31 '14 at 17:13
He was Colonel America in the Marvel Zombie universe. It...ended badly.
– Jeff
May 31 '14 at 17:13
4
4
I suspect that it's the same reason that Captain Crunch has never been promoted. (Except in Futurama, but that's a cartoon.)
– Wayne
Jun 1 '14 at 0:45
I suspect that it's the same reason that Captain Crunch has never been promoted. (Except in Futurama, but that's a cartoon.)
– Wayne
Jun 1 '14 at 0:45
5
5
Well, he's not really a Captain to begin with... sooo
– 22nd Century Fza
Jun 1 '14 at 5:45
Well, he's not really a Captain to begin with... sooo
– 22nd Century Fza
Jun 1 '14 at 5:45
5
5
So Colonel Sanders outranks Captain America? That's not cool.
– coburne
Jun 2 '14 at 13:11
So Colonel Sanders outranks Captain America? That's not cool.
– coburne
Jun 2 '14 at 13:11
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Because rank follows job
Army rank isn't just a question of experience, heroics or capabilities. It's not like going up a level in a D&D game. After a certain point, an officer's rank implies his job, not only his abilities.
A US Army Captain usually commands units the size of Companies or smaller, meaning at most a group of 80-250 soldiers. This is in keeping with Captain America's usual scale - he usually leads platoons, actually, but in the First Avenger movie we saw him lead a larger group to rescue hostages.
Generally speaking, the work he does is not that of a Major, Colonel or General. He's a field agent and tactical warrior, not a strategist or high-level commander.
Because you have to be in service to be promoted
Of course, all this ignores the fact that as far as I know he isn't, as of the main Marvel timeline, an active member of the US Army. He works with S.H.I.E.L.D, and keeps his existing rank, but since he's not an active commissioned officer, he won't continue moving up the ranks.
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The Rank Folows Job is incredibly accurate. U.S. Enlisted here, so I kinda have first hand knowledge.
– Ender
Jun 1 '14 at 6:03
8
As a great (and, I think, little-known) example, there are no permanent US 3- and 4-star generals. 2-star generals are temporarily promoted the extra star or two based on what rank is assigned to the position they're holding, and revert back to two stars once they leave the position.
– Bobson
Jun 2 '14 at 13:53
5
@Bobson - worth pointing out that the same applies to the war time only 5 star general since it can't be given out if the position isn't actively needed.
– AJ Henderson
Jun 2 '14 at 14:21
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@Bobson Wikipedia claims: “Historically, officers leaving three-star positions were allowed to revert to their permanent two-star ranks to mark time in lesser jobs until statutory retirement, but now such officers are expected to retire immediately to avoid obstructing the promotion flow.” So they either need to quickly find a new post of equal or higher stature, or retire. I didn't know this previously – thanks for pointing it out!
– Bradd Szonye
Jun 3 '14 at 1:22
I recently saw an argument on another website claiming the opposite - that as an MIA officer he would have been promoted automatically after the appropriate amount of time in each grade, and his back pay would have been in accordance with that.
– Random832
Jan 3 '15 at 13:41
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He hasn't been promoted because he isn't active military personnel. It's that simple. He is considered "retired" from the US Army.
He had a rank when he was in the Army and when he "died" that was the rank he wore.
When he was found and revived, the world he lived in included many beings of superhuman stature and his previous ranking became a "sobriquet" denoting his previous service and a "recognizable brand".
He is a consultant with SHIELD providing "special operation services".
If he were to rejoin the Army in an active military capacity, he would then be eligible for promotions allowing him to increase in rank and I suspect considering his abilities and strengths as a leader would quickly find himself promoted.
In the canon Marvel Universe, Captain America is considered to be the finest tactical leader the Avengers have ever had and during times of combat, almost everyone INCLUDING Thor will defer to the Captain's judgment.
And as far as any marketing guru will tell you, you don't change a winning brand.
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Was he retired because he was way older than 60years of age? :P
– Stark07
Jun 1 '14 at 1:41
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"Captain" in his case is generally not seen as a 'rank' in the strict sense but is his Nom de guerre, his 'war name'. Though he has the authority of a combat field commander, he was originally assigned the CODE NAME 'Captain America' as a result of the Super-Soldier Program and because it was a catchy name for the anti-Nazi propaganda campaign at the time, not because he attended West Point and was promoted through the ranks to the rank of Captain.
(Note: He didn't even go through Army basic training bootcamp)
Some backstory;
Steve Rodgers went from being a scrawny civilian, allowed to enlist, was administered the Super-Soldier Serum (which was obviously a success), put through an intensive 3 month physical and tactical training program, was then 'appointed' the CODE NAME 'Captain America'. All of this happened in the span of a little over 3 months. His Nom de guerre is so well known that it would never be changed to 'Lt. Col. America' no matter how many people he commanded.
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It really depends on what continuity you mean - he DID go through boot during Captain America: The First Avenger. I believe he's also gone through some version of OCS in the 616 continuity.
– Jeff
Jun 2 '14 at 18:46
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@Jeff -In the movie 'Captain America: The First Avenger', that wasn't bootcamp, it was a selection process to determine who would be selected and only lasted a few days. Dr. Erskine already wanted Rodgers but Colonel Phillips was skeptical until Rodgers showed his courage and self sacrifice by diving on what he thought was a live grenade. I'm not familiar with other re-writes or 'retconned' continuities.
– Morgan
Jun 2 '14 at 19:23
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It was, indeed, a selection process. But it was also boot camp. They were doing PT, learning military discipline and protocol, etc. Besides, Cap shows quite a bit of familiarity with infantry protocol, tactics, and weaponry later in the movie, which he could easiest have learned in boot.
– Jeff
Jun 3 '14 at 13:14
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You could argue that he got a battlefield promotion based on the duties that he was expected to perform. The way I understand it, (never having the honor of serving in the military) promotions in war time have much different rules than promotions during peace.
– AndyD273
Jun 3 '14 at 15:24
@Jeff -I went through Marine Corps bootcamp... what they were doing wasn't bootcamp.
– Morgan
Jun 3 '14 at 16:40
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Most likely because the "Captain" part is not really a "rank", but a moniker. Kind of like "Captain Obvious". Nobody has ever demoted Captain Obvious, no?
By the way, you don't need to be serving an "army" to be assigned a "rank". Colonel Sanders was a businessman, for example, and his rank is higher than America
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Col. Sanders' rank might not have been military, but it wasn't just a moniker, either. The Kentucky Colonels is an official organization, part of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
– Avner Shahar-Kashtan
Jun 2 '14 at 9:33
LOL Colonel America.
– Owen Johnson
Jun 2 '14 at 18:10
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I never said Colonel Sander's rank is just a moniker. Sanders never served Kentucky militarily, but still gained a rank. Others pointed out the Captain doesn't gain a rank because he's not serving, I pointed out a case where it's not really needed. There's a reason I put them in "quotes"
– Raestloz
Jun 3 '14 at 1:40
You know, if Captain Obvious was demoted, he wouldn't be Captain Obvious anymore...
– VBartilucci
May 9 '17 at 20:16
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For those of you who are saying that Captain America, the Steve Rodgers version, was not a soldier and never went through Basic Training I looked it up on Two Marvel websites which appear in the image included here. As you can see from the top portion of the image taken from Marvel.com it says "After EXTENSIVE COMBAT TRAINING He debuted as Captain America". The bottom portion of the image from marveldirectory.com says "Rodgers was put through an INTENSIVE PHYSICAL AND TACTICAL TRAINING PROGRAM which included Hand-to-Hand combat and Military Strategy". So, according to Marvel themselves, Steve DID go through Basic Training and also something akin to an abbreviated Officer's training program since both Hand-to-Hand and Military Strategy were part of the curriculum in Captain's Career Course when I was Cadre working there. I think the reason he hasn't been promoted is that he was retired when the world thought him dead. Given his training, he could have been commissioned and rose through the ranks to Captain, or he may have been an enlisted person who was posthumously given a battlefield commission and promoted to the rank of Captain. Until Marvel states what the official backstory is on his character all we can do is speculate on his rank, however, the fact he DID go through basic and other training is Canon.
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Because rank follows job
Army rank isn't just a question of experience, heroics or capabilities. It's not like going up a level in a D&D game. After a certain point, an officer's rank implies his job, not only his abilities.
A US Army Captain usually commands units the size of Companies or smaller, meaning at most a group of 80-250 soldiers. This is in keeping with Captain America's usual scale - he usually leads platoons, actually, but in the First Avenger movie we saw him lead a larger group to rescue hostages.
Generally speaking, the work he does is not that of a Major, Colonel or General. He's a field agent and tactical warrior, not a strategist or high-level commander.
Because you have to be in service to be promoted
Of course, all this ignores the fact that as far as I know he isn't, as of the main Marvel timeline, an active member of the US Army. He works with S.H.I.E.L.D, and keeps his existing rank, but since he's not an active commissioned officer, he won't continue moving up the ranks.
14
The Rank Folows Job is incredibly accurate. U.S. Enlisted here, so I kinda have first hand knowledge.
– Ender
Jun 1 '14 at 6:03
8
As a great (and, I think, little-known) example, there are no permanent US 3- and 4-star generals. 2-star generals are temporarily promoted the extra star or two based on what rank is assigned to the position they're holding, and revert back to two stars once they leave the position.
– Bobson
Jun 2 '14 at 13:53
5
@Bobson - worth pointing out that the same applies to the war time only 5 star general since it can't be given out if the position isn't actively needed.
– AJ Henderson
Jun 2 '14 at 14:21
4
@Bobson Wikipedia claims: “Historically, officers leaving three-star positions were allowed to revert to their permanent two-star ranks to mark time in lesser jobs until statutory retirement, but now such officers are expected to retire immediately to avoid obstructing the promotion flow.” So they either need to quickly find a new post of equal or higher stature, or retire. I didn't know this previously – thanks for pointing it out!
– Bradd Szonye
Jun 3 '14 at 1:22
I recently saw an argument on another website claiming the opposite - that as an MIA officer he would have been promoted automatically after the appropriate amount of time in each grade, and his back pay would have been in accordance with that.
– Random832
Jan 3 '15 at 13:41
add a comment |
Because rank follows job
Army rank isn't just a question of experience, heroics or capabilities. It's not like going up a level in a D&D game. After a certain point, an officer's rank implies his job, not only his abilities.
A US Army Captain usually commands units the size of Companies or smaller, meaning at most a group of 80-250 soldiers. This is in keeping with Captain America's usual scale - he usually leads platoons, actually, but in the First Avenger movie we saw him lead a larger group to rescue hostages.
Generally speaking, the work he does is not that of a Major, Colonel or General. He's a field agent and tactical warrior, not a strategist or high-level commander.
Because you have to be in service to be promoted
Of course, all this ignores the fact that as far as I know he isn't, as of the main Marvel timeline, an active member of the US Army. He works with S.H.I.E.L.D, and keeps his existing rank, but since he's not an active commissioned officer, he won't continue moving up the ranks.
14
The Rank Folows Job is incredibly accurate. U.S. Enlisted here, so I kinda have first hand knowledge.
– Ender
Jun 1 '14 at 6:03
8
As a great (and, I think, little-known) example, there are no permanent US 3- and 4-star generals. 2-star generals are temporarily promoted the extra star or two based on what rank is assigned to the position they're holding, and revert back to two stars once they leave the position.
– Bobson
Jun 2 '14 at 13:53
5
@Bobson - worth pointing out that the same applies to the war time only 5 star general since it can't be given out if the position isn't actively needed.
– AJ Henderson
Jun 2 '14 at 14:21
4
@Bobson Wikipedia claims: “Historically, officers leaving three-star positions were allowed to revert to their permanent two-star ranks to mark time in lesser jobs until statutory retirement, but now such officers are expected to retire immediately to avoid obstructing the promotion flow.” So they either need to quickly find a new post of equal or higher stature, or retire. I didn't know this previously – thanks for pointing it out!
– Bradd Szonye
Jun 3 '14 at 1:22
I recently saw an argument on another website claiming the opposite - that as an MIA officer he would have been promoted automatically after the appropriate amount of time in each grade, and his back pay would have been in accordance with that.
– Random832
Jan 3 '15 at 13:41
add a comment |
Because rank follows job
Army rank isn't just a question of experience, heroics or capabilities. It's not like going up a level in a D&D game. After a certain point, an officer's rank implies his job, not only his abilities.
A US Army Captain usually commands units the size of Companies or smaller, meaning at most a group of 80-250 soldiers. This is in keeping with Captain America's usual scale - he usually leads platoons, actually, but in the First Avenger movie we saw him lead a larger group to rescue hostages.
Generally speaking, the work he does is not that of a Major, Colonel or General. He's a field agent and tactical warrior, not a strategist or high-level commander.
Because you have to be in service to be promoted
Of course, all this ignores the fact that as far as I know he isn't, as of the main Marvel timeline, an active member of the US Army. He works with S.H.I.E.L.D, and keeps his existing rank, but since he's not an active commissioned officer, he won't continue moving up the ranks.
Because rank follows job
Army rank isn't just a question of experience, heroics or capabilities. It's not like going up a level in a D&D game. After a certain point, an officer's rank implies his job, not only his abilities.
A US Army Captain usually commands units the size of Companies or smaller, meaning at most a group of 80-250 soldiers. This is in keeping with Captain America's usual scale - he usually leads platoons, actually, but in the First Avenger movie we saw him lead a larger group to rescue hostages.
Generally speaking, the work he does is not that of a Major, Colonel or General. He's a field agent and tactical warrior, not a strategist or high-level commander.
Because you have to be in service to be promoted
Of course, all this ignores the fact that as far as I know he isn't, as of the main Marvel timeline, an active member of the US Army. He works with S.H.I.E.L.D, and keeps his existing rank, but since he's not an active commissioned officer, he won't continue moving up the ranks.
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The Rank Folows Job is incredibly accurate. U.S. Enlisted here, so I kinda have first hand knowledge.
– Ender
Jun 1 '14 at 6:03
8
As a great (and, I think, little-known) example, there are no permanent US 3- and 4-star generals. 2-star generals are temporarily promoted the extra star or two based on what rank is assigned to the position they're holding, and revert back to two stars once they leave the position.
– Bobson
Jun 2 '14 at 13:53
5
@Bobson - worth pointing out that the same applies to the war time only 5 star general since it can't be given out if the position isn't actively needed.
– AJ Henderson
Jun 2 '14 at 14:21
4
@Bobson Wikipedia claims: “Historically, officers leaving three-star positions were allowed to revert to their permanent two-star ranks to mark time in lesser jobs until statutory retirement, but now such officers are expected to retire immediately to avoid obstructing the promotion flow.” So they either need to quickly find a new post of equal or higher stature, or retire. I didn't know this previously – thanks for pointing it out!
– Bradd Szonye
Jun 3 '14 at 1:22
I recently saw an argument on another website claiming the opposite - that as an MIA officer he would have been promoted automatically after the appropriate amount of time in each grade, and his back pay would have been in accordance with that.
– Random832
Jan 3 '15 at 13:41
add a comment |
14
The Rank Folows Job is incredibly accurate. U.S. Enlisted here, so I kinda have first hand knowledge.
– Ender
Jun 1 '14 at 6:03
8
As a great (and, I think, little-known) example, there are no permanent US 3- and 4-star generals. 2-star generals are temporarily promoted the extra star or two based on what rank is assigned to the position they're holding, and revert back to two stars once they leave the position.
– Bobson
Jun 2 '14 at 13:53
5
@Bobson - worth pointing out that the same applies to the war time only 5 star general since it can't be given out if the position isn't actively needed.
– AJ Henderson
Jun 2 '14 at 14:21
4
@Bobson Wikipedia claims: “Historically, officers leaving three-star positions were allowed to revert to their permanent two-star ranks to mark time in lesser jobs until statutory retirement, but now such officers are expected to retire immediately to avoid obstructing the promotion flow.” So they either need to quickly find a new post of equal or higher stature, or retire. I didn't know this previously – thanks for pointing it out!
– Bradd Szonye
Jun 3 '14 at 1:22
I recently saw an argument on another website claiming the opposite - that as an MIA officer he would have been promoted automatically after the appropriate amount of time in each grade, and his back pay would have been in accordance with that.
– Random832
Jan 3 '15 at 13:41
14
14
The Rank Folows Job is incredibly accurate. U.S. Enlisted here, so I kinda have first hand knowledge.
– Ender
Jun 1 '14 at 6:03
The Rank Folows Job is incredibly accurate. U.S. Enlisted here, so I kinda have first hand knowledge.
– Ender
Jun 1 '14 at 6:03
8
8
As a great (and, I think, little-known) example, there are no permanent US 3- and 4-star generals. 2-star generals are temporarily promoted the extra star or two based on what rank is assigned to the position they're holding, and revert back to two stars once they leave the position.
– Bobson
Jun 2 '14 at 13:53
As a great (and, I think, little-known) example, there are no permanent US 3- and 4-star generals. 2-star generals are temporarily promoted the extra star or two based on what rank is assigned to the position they're holding, and revert back to two stars once they leave the position.
– Bobson
Jun 2 '14 at 13:53
5
5
@Bobson - worth pointing out that the same applies to the war time only 5 star general since it can't be given out if the position isn't actively needed.
– AJ Henderson
Jun 2 '14 at 14:21
@Bobson - worth pointing out that the same applies to the war time only 5 star general since it can't be given out if the position isn't actively needed.
– AJ Henderson
Jun 2 '14 at 14:21
4
4
@Bobson Wikipedia claims: “Historically, officers leaving three-star positions were allowed to revert to their permanent two-star ranks to mark time in lesser jobs until statutory retirement, but now such officers are expected to retire immediately to avoid obstructing the promotion flow.” So they either need to quickly find a new post of equal or higher stature, or retire. I didn't know this previously – thanks for pointing it out!
– Bradd Szonye
Jun 3 '14 at 1:22
@Bobson Wikipedia claims: “Historically, officers leaving three-star positions were allowed to revert to their permanent two-star ranks to mark time in lesser jobs until statutory retirement, but now such officers are expected to retire immediately to avoid obstructing the promotion flow.” So they either need to quickly find a new post of equal or higher stature, or retire. I didn't know this previously – thanks for pointing it out!
– Bradd Szonye
Jun 3 '14 at 1:22
I recently saw an argument on another website claiming the opposite - that as an MIA officer he would have been promoted automatically after the appropriate amount of time in each grade, and his back pay would have been in accordance with that.
– Random832
Jan 3 '15 at 13:41
I recently saw an argument on another website claiming the opposite - that as an MIA officer he would have been promoted automatically after the appropriate amount of time in each grade, and his back pay would have been in accordance with that.
– Random832
Jan 3 '15 at 13:41
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He hasn't been promoted because he isn't active military personnel. It's that simple. He is considered "retired" from the US Army.
He had a rank when he was in the Army and when he "died" that was the rank he wore.
When he was found and revived, the world he lived in included many beings of superhuman stature and his previous ranking became a "sobriquet" denoting his previous service and a "recognizable brand".
He is a consultant with SHIELD providing "special operation services".
If he were to rejoin the Army in an active military capacity, he would then be eligible for promotions allowing him to increase in rank and I suspect considering his abilities and strengths as a leader would quickly find himself promoted.
In the canon Marvel Universe, Captain America is considered to be the finest tactical leader the Avengers have ever had and during times of combat, almost everyone INCLUDING Thor will defer to the Captain's judgment.
And as far as any marketing guru will tell you, you don't change a winning brand.
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Was he retired because he was way older than 60years of age? :P
– Stark07
Jun 1 '14 at 1:41
add a comment |
He hasn't been promoted because he isn't active military personnel. It's that simple. He is considered "retired" from the US Army.
He had a rank when he was in the Army and when he "died" that was the rank he wore.
When he was found and revived, the world he lived in included many beings of superhuman stature and his previous ranking became a "sobriquet" denoting his previous service and a "recognizable brand".
He is a consultant with SHIELD providing "special operation services".
If he were to rejoin the Army in an active military capacity, he would then be eligible for promotions allowing him to increase in rank and I suspect considering his abilities and strengths as a leader would quickly find himself promoted.
In the canon Marvel Universe, Captain America is considered to be the finest tactical leader the Avengers have ever had and during times of combat, almost everyone INCLUDING Thor will defer to the Captain's judgment.
And as far as any marketing guru will tell you, you don't change a winning brand.
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Was he retired because he was way older than 60years of age? :P
– Stark07
Jun 1 '14 at 1:41
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He hasn't been promoted because he isn't active military personnel. It's that simple. He is considered "retired" from the US Army.
He had a rank when he was in the Army and when he "died" that was the rank he wore.
When he was found and revived, the world he lived in included many beings of superhuman stature and his previous ranking became a "sobriquet" denoting his previous service and a "recognizable brand".
He is a consultant with SHIELD providing "special operation services".
If he were to rejoin the Army in an active military capacity, he would then be eligible for promotions allowing him to increase in rank and I suspect considering his abilities and strengths as a leader would quickly find himself promoted.
In the canon Marvel Universe, Captain America is considered to be the finest tactical leader the Avengers have ever had and during times of combat, almost everyone INCLUDING Thor will defer to the Captain's judgment.
And as far as any marketing guru will tell you, you don't change a winning brand.
He hasn't been promoted because he isn't active military personnel. It's that simple. He is considered "retired" from the US Army.
He had a rank when he was in the Army and when he "died" that was the rank he wore.
When he was found and revived, the world he lived in included many beings of superhuman stature and his previous ranking became a "sobriquet" denoting his previous service and a "recognizable brand".
He is a consultant with SHIELD providing "special operation services".
If he were to rejoin the Army in an active military capacity, he would then be eligible for promotions allowing him to increase in rank and I suspect considering his abilities and strengths as a leader would quickly find himself promoted.
In the canon Marvel Universe, Captain America is considered to be the finest tactical leader the Avengers have ever had and during times of combat, almost everyone INCLUDING Thor will defer to the Captain's judgment.
And as far as any marketing guru will tell you, you don't change a winning brand.
answered May 31 '14 at 21:24
Thaddeus Howze♦Thaddeus Howze
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Was he retired because he was way older than 60years of age? :P
– Stark07
Jun 1 '14 at 1:41
add a comment |
17
Was he retired because he was way older than 60years of age? :P
– Stark07
Jun 1 '14 at 1:41
17
17
Was he retired because he was way older than 60years of age? :P
– Stark07
Jun 1 '14 at 1:41
Was he retired because he was way older than 60years of age? :P
– Stark07
Jun 1 '14 at 1:41
add a comment |
"Captain" in his case is generally not seen as a 'rank' in the strict sense but is his Nom de guerre, his 'war name'. Though he has the authority of a combat field commander, he was originally assigned the CODE NAME 'Captain America' as a result of the Super-Soldier Program and because it was a catchy name for the anti-Nazi propaganda campaign at the time, not because he attended West Point and was promoted through the ranks to the rank of Captain.
(Note: He didn't even go through Army basic training bootcamp)
Some backstory;
Steve Rodgers went from being a scrawny civilian, allowed to enlist, was administered the Super-Soldier Serum (which was obviously a success), put through an intensive 3 month physical and tactical training program, was then 'appointed' the CODE NAME 'Captain America'. All of this happened in the span of a little over 3 months. His Nom de guerre is so well known that it would never be changed to 'Lt. Col. America' no matter how many people he commanded.
3
It really depends on what continuity you mean - he DID go through boot during Captain America: The First Avenger. I believe he's also gone through some version of OCS in the 616 continuity.
– Jeff
Jun 2 '14 at 18:46
1
@Jeff -In the movie 'Captain America: The First Avenger', that wasn't bootcamp, it was a selection process to determine who would be selected and only lasted a few days. Dr. Erskine already wanted Rodgers but Colonel Phillips was skeptical until Rodgers showed his courage and self sacrifice by diving on what he thought was a live grenade. I'm not familiar with other re-writes or 'retconned' continuities.
– Morgan
Jun 2 '14 at 19:23
1
It was, indeed, a selection process. But it was also boot camp. They were doing PT, learning military discipline and protocol, etc. Besides, Cap shows quite a bit of familiarity with infantry protocol, tactics, and weaponry later in the movie, which he could easiest have learned in boot.
– Jeff
Jun 3 '14 at 13:14
1
You could argue that he got a battlefield promotion based on the duties that he was expected to perform. The way I understand it, (never having the honor of serving in the military) promotions in war time have much different rules than promotions during peace.
– AndyD273
Jun 3 '14 at 15:24
@Jeff -I went through Marine Corps bootcamp... what they were doing wasn't bootcamp.
– Morgan
Jun 3 '14 at 16:40
|
show 3 more comments
"Captain" in his case is generally not seen as a 'rank' in the strict sense but is his Nom de guerre, his 'war name'. Though he has the authority of a combat field commander, he was originally assigned the CODE NAME 'Captain America' as a result of the Super-Soldier Program and because it was a catchy name for the anti-Nazi propaganda campaign at the time, not because he attended West Point and was promoted through the ranks to the rank of Captain.
(Note: He didn't even go through Army basic training bootcamp)
Some backstory;
Steve Rodgers went from being a scrawny civilian, allowed to enlist, was administered the Super-Soldier Serum (which was obviously a success), put through an intensive 3 month physical and tactical training program, was then 'appointed' the CODE NAME 'Captain America'. All of this happened in the span of a little over 3 months. His Nom de guerre is so well known that it would never be changed to 'Lt. Col. America' no matter how many people he commanded.
3
It really depends on what continuity you mean - he DID go through boot during Captain America: The First Avenger. I believe he's also gone through some version of OCS in the 616 continuity.
– Jeff
Jun 2 '14 at 18:46
1
@Jeff -In the movie 'Captain America: The First Avenger', that wasn't bootcamp, it was a selection process to determine who would be selected and only lasted a few days. Dr. Erskine already wanted Rodgers but Colonel Phillips was skeptical until Rodgers showed his courage and self sacrifice by diving on what he thought was a live grenade. I'm not familiar with other re-writes or 'retconned' continuities.
– Morgan
Jun 2 '14 at 19:23
1
It was, indeed, a selection process. But it was also boot camp. They were doing PT, learning military discipline and protocol, etc. Besides, Cap shows quite a bit of familiarity with infantry protocol, tactics, and weaponry later in the movie, which he could easiest have learned in boot.
– Jeff
Jun 3 '14 at 13:14
1
You could argue that he got a battlefield promotion based on the duties that he was expected to perform. The way I understand it, (never having the honor of serving in the military) promotions in war time have much different rules than promotions during peace.
– AndyD273
Jun 3 '14 at 15:24
@Jeff -I went through Marine Corps bootcamp... what they were doing wasn't bootcamp.
– Morgan
Jun 3 '14 at 16:40
|
show 3 more comments
"Captain" in his case is generally not seen as a 'rank' in the strict sense but is his Nom de guerre, his 'war name'. Though he has the authority of a combat field commander, he was originally assigned the CODE NAME 'Captain America' as a result of the Super-Soldier Program and because it was a catchy name for the anti-Nazi propaganda campaign at the time, not because he attended West Point and was promoted through the ranks to the rank of Captain.
(Note: He didn't even go through Army basic training bootcamp)
Some backstory;
Steve Rodgers went from being a scrawny civilian, allowed to enlist, was administered the Super-Soldier Serum (which was obviously a success), put through an intensive 3 month physical and tactical training program, was then 'appointed' the CODE NAME 'Captain America'. All of this happened in the span of a little over 3 months. His Nom de guerre is so well known that it would never be changed to 'Lt. Col. America' no matter how many people he commanded.
"Captain" in his case is generally not seen as a 'rank' in the strict sense but is his Nom de guerre, his 'war name'. Though he has the authority of a combat field commander, he was originally assigned the CODE NAME 'Captain America' as a result of the Super-Soldier Program and because it was a catchy name for the anti-Nazi propaganda campaign at the time, not because he attended West Point and was promoted through the ranks to the rank of Captain.
(Note: He didn't even go through Army basic training bootcamp)
Some backstory;
Steve Rodgers went from being a scrawny civilian, allowed to enlist, was administered the Super-Soldier Serum (which was obviously a success), put through an intensive 3 month physical and tactical training program, was then 'appointed' the CODE NAME 'Captain America'. All of this happened in the span of a little over 3 months. His Nom de guerre is so well known that it would never be changed to 'Lt. Col. America' no matter how many people he commanded.
edited Jun 2 '14 at 18:46
answered May 31 '14 at 22:55
MorganMorgan
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It really depends on what continuity you mean - he DID go through boot during Captain America: The First Avenger. I believe he's also gone through some version of OCS in the 616 continuity.
– Jeff
Jun 2 '14 at 18:46
1
@Jeff -In the movie 'Captain America: The First Avenger', that wasn't bootcamp, it was a selection process to determine who would be selected and only lasted a few days. Dr. Erskine already wanted Rodgers but Colonel Phillips was skeptical until Rodgers showed his courage and self sacrifice by diving on what he thought was a live grenade. I'm not familiar with other re-writes or 'retconned' continuities.
– Morgan
Jun 2 '14 at 19:23
1
It was, indeed, a selection process. But it was also boot camp. They were doing PT, learning military discipline and protocol, etc. Besides, Cap shows quite a bit of familiarity with infantry protocol, tactics, and weaponry later in the movie, which he could easiest have learned in boot.
– Jeff
Jun 3 '14 at 13:14
1
You could argue that he got a battlefield promotion based on the duties that he was expected to perform. The way I understand it, (never having the honor of serving in the military) promotions in war time have much different rules than promotions during peace.
– AndyD273
Jun 3 '14 at 15:24
@Jeff -I went through Marine Corps bootcamp... what they were doing wasn't bootcamp.
– Morgan
Jun 3 '14 at 16:40
|
show 3 more comments
3
It really depends on what continuity you mean - he DID go through boot during Captain America: The First Avenger. I believe he's also gone through some version of OCS in the 616 continuity.
– Jeff
Jun 2 '14 at 18:46
1
@Jeff -In the movie 'Captain America: The First Avenger', that wasn't bootcamp, it was a selection process to determine who would be selected and only lasted a few days. Dr. Erskine already wanted Rodgers but Colonel Phillips was skeptical until Rodgers showed his courage and self sacrifice by diving on what he thought was a live grenade. I'm not familiar with other re-writes or 'retconned' continuities.
– Morgan
Jun 2 '14 at 19:23
1
It was, indeed, a selection process. But it was also boot camp. They were doing PT, learning military discipline and protocol, etc. Besides, Cap shows quite a bit of familiarity with infantry protocol, tactics, and weaponry later in the movie, which he could easiest have learned in boot.
– Jeff
Jun 3 '14 at 13:14
1
You could argue that he got a battlefield promotion based on the duties that he was expected to perform. The way I understand it, (never having the honor of serving in the military) promotions in war time have much different rules than promotions during peace.
– AndyD273
Jun 3 '14 at 15:24
@Jeff -I went through Marine Corps bootcamp... what they were doing wasn't bootcamp.
– Morgan
Jun 3 '14 at 16:40
3
3
It really depends on what continuity you mean - he DID go through boot during Captain America: The First Avenger. I believe he's also gone through some version of OCS in the 616 continuity.
– Jeff
Jun 2 '14 at 18:46
It really depends on what continuity you mean - he DID go through boot during Captain America: The First Avenger. I believe he's also gone through some version of OCS in the 616 continuity.
– Jeff
Jun 2 '14 at 18:46
1
1
@Jeff -In the movie 'Captain America: The First Avenger', that wasn't bootcamp, it was a selection process to determine who would be selected and only lasted a few days. Dr. Erskine already wanted Rodgers but Colonel Phillips was skeptical until Rodgers showed his courage and self sacrifice by diving on what he thought was a live grenade. I'm not familiar with other re-writes or 'retconned' continuities.
– Morgan
Jun 2 '14 at 19:23
@Jeff -In the movie 'Captain America: The First Avenger', that wasn't bootcamp, it was a selection process to determine who would be selected and only lasted a few days. Dr. Erskine already wanted Rodgers but Colonel Phillips was skeptical until Rodgers showed his courage and self sacrifice by diving on what he thought was a live grenade. I'm not familiar with other re-writes or 'retconned' continuities.
– Morgan
Jun 2 '14 at 19:23
1
1
It was, indeed, a selection process. But it was also boot camp. They were doing PT, learning military discipline and protocol, etc. Besides, Cap shows quite a bit of familiarity with infantry protocol, tactics, and weaponry later in the movie, which he could easiest have learned in boot.
– Jeff
Jun 3 '14 at 13:14
It was, indeed, a selection process. But it was also boot camp. They were doing PT, learning military discipline and protocol, etc. Besides, Cap shows quite a bit of familiarity with infantry protocol, tactics, and weaponry later in the movie, which he could easiest have learned in boot.
– Jeff
Jun 3 '14 at 13:14
1
1
You could argue that he got a battlefield promotion based on the duties that he was expected to perform. The way I understand it, (never having the honor of serving in the military) promotions in war time have much different rules than promotions during peace.
– AndyD273
Jun 3 '14 at 15:24
You could argue that he got a battlefield promotion based on the duties that he was expected to perform. The way I understand it, (never having the honor of serving in the military) promotions in war time have much different rules than promotions during peace.
– AndyD273
Jun 3 '14 at 15:24
@Jeff -I went through Marine Corps bootcamp... what they were doing wasn't bootcamp.
– Morgan
Jun 3 '14 at 16:40
@Jeff -I went through Marine Corps bootcamp... what they were doing wasn't bootcamp.
– Morgan
Jun 3 '14 at 16:40
|
show 3 more comments
Made an account just to answer, but I answer mostly because I can't comment
Most likely because the "Captain" part is not really a "rank", but a moniker. Kind of like "Captain Obvious". Nobody has ever demoted Captain Obvious, no?
By the way, you don't need to be serving an "army" to be assigned a "rank". Colonel Sanders was a businessman, for example, and his rank is higher than America
5
Col. Sanders' rank might not have been military, but it wasn't just a moniker, either. The Kentucky Colonels is an official organization, part of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
– Avner Shahar-Kashtan
Jun 2 '14 at 9:33
LOL Colonel America.
– Owen Johnson
Jun 2 '14 at 18:10
1
I never said Colonel Sander's rank is just a moniker. Sanders never served Kentucky militarily, but still gained a rank. Others pointed out the Captain doesn't gain a rank because he's not serving, I pointed out a case where it's not really needed. There's a reason I put them in "quotes"
– Raestloz
Jun 3 '14 at 1:40
You know, if Captain Obvious was demoted, he wouldn't be Captain Obvious anymore...
– VBartilucci
May 9 '17 at 20:16
add a comment |
Made an account just to answer, but I answer mostly because I can't comment
Most likely because the "Captain" part is not really a "rank", but a moniker. Kind of like "Captain Obvious". Nobody has ever demoted Captain Obvious, no?
By the way, you don't need to be serving an "army" to be assigned a "rank". Colonel Sanders was a businessman, for example, and his rank is higher than America
5
Col. Sanders' rank might not have been military, but it wasn't just a moniker, either. The Kentucky Colonels is an official organization, part of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
– Avner Shahar-Kashtan
Jun 2 '14 at 9:33
LOL Colonel America.
– Owen Johnson
Jun 2 '14 at 18:10
1
I never said Colonel Sander's rank is just a moniker. Sanders never served Kentucky militarily, but still gained a rank. Others pointed out the Captain doesn't gain a rank because he's not serving, I pointed out a case where it's not really needed. There's a reason I put them in "quotes"
– Raestloz
Jun 3 '14 at 1:40
You know, if Captain Obvious was demoted, he wouldn't be Captain Obvious anymore...
– VBartilucci
May 9 '17 at 20:16
add a comment |
Made an account just to answer, but I answer mostly because I can't comment
Most likely because the "Captain" part is not really a "rank", but a moniker. Kind of like "Captain Obvious". Nobody has ever demoted Captain Obvious, no?
By the way, you don't need to be serving an "army" to be assigned a "rank". Colonel Sanders was a businessman, for example, and his rank is higher than America
Made an account just to answer, but I answer mostly because I can't comment
Most likely because the "Captain" part is not really a "rank", but a moniker. Kind of like "Captain Obvious". Nobody has ever demoted Captain Obvious, no?
By the way, you don't need to be serving an "army" to be assigned a "rank". Colonel Sanders was a businessman, for example, and his rank is higher than America
answered Jun 2 '14 at 8:41
RaestlozRaestloz
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5
Col. Sanders' rank might not have been military, but it wasn't just a moniker, either. The Kentucky Colonels is an official organization, part of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
– Avner Shahar-Kashtan
Jun 2 '14 at 9:33
LOL Colonel America.
– Owen Johnson
Jun 2 '14 at 18:10
1
I never said Colonel Sander's rank is just a moniker. Sanders never served Kentucky militarily, but still gained a rank. Others pointed out the Captain doesn't gain a rank because he's not serving, I pointed out a case where it's not really needed. There's a reason I put them in "quotes"
– Raestloz
Jun 3 '14 at 1:40
You know, if Captain Obvious was demoted, he wouldn't be Captain Obvious anymore...
– VBartilucci
May 9 '17 at 20:16
add a comment |
5
Col. Sanders' rank might not have been military, but it wasn't just a moniker, either. The Kentucky Colonels is an official organization, part of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
– Avner Shahar-Kashtan
Jun 2 '14 at 9:33
LOL Colonel America.
– Owen Johnson
Jun 2 '14 at 18:10
1
I never said Colonel Sander's rank is just a moniker. Sanders never served Kentucky militarily, but still gained a rank. Others pointed out the Captain doesn't gain a rank because he's not serving, I pointed out a case where it's not really needed. There's a reason I put them in "quotes"
– Raestloz
Jun 3 '14 at 1:40
You know, if Captain Obvious was demoted, he wouldn't be Captain Obvious anymore...
– VBartilucci
May 9 '17 at 20:16
5
5
Col. Sanders' rank might not have been military, but it wasn't just a moniker, either. The Kentucky Colonels is an official organization, part of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
– Avner Shahar-Kashtan
Jun 2 '14 at 9:33
Col. Sanders' rank might not have been military, but it wasn't just a moniker, either. The Kentucky Colonels is an official organization, part of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
– Avner Shahar-Kashtan
Jun 2 '14 at 9:33
LOL Colonel America.
– Owen Johnson
Jun 2 '14 at 18:10
LOL Colonel America.
– Owen Johnson
Jun 2 '14 at 18:10
1
1
I never said Colonel Sander's rank is just a moniker. Sanders never served Kentucky militarily, but still gained a rank. Others pointed out the Captain doesn't gain a rank because he's not serving, I pointed out a case where it's not really needed. There's a reason I put them in "quotes"
– Raestloz
Jun 3 '14 at 1:40
I never said Colonel Sander's rank is just a moniker. Sanders never served Kentucky militarily, but still gained a rank. Others pointed out the Captain doesn't gain a rank because he's not serving, I pointed out a case where it's not really needed. There's a reason I put them in "quotes"
– Raestloz
Jun 3 '14 at 1:40
You know, if Captain Obvious was demoted, he wouldn't be Captain Obvious anymore...
– VBartilucci
May 9 '17 at 20:16
You know, if Captain Obvious was demoted, he wouldn't be Captain Obvious anymore...
– VBartilucci
May 9 '17 at 20:16
add a comment |
For those of you who are saying that Captain America, the Steve Rodgers version, was not a soldier and never went through Basic Training I looked it up on Two Marvel websites which appear in the image included here. As you can see from the top portion of the image taken from Marvel.com it says "After EXTENSIVE COMBAT TRAINING He debuted as Captain America". The bottom portion of the image from marveldirectory.com says "Rodgers was put through an INTENSIVE PHYSICAL AND TACTICAL TRAINING PROGRAM which included Hand-to-Hand combat and Military Strategy". So, according to Marvel themselves, Steve DID go through Basic Training and also something akin to an abbreviated Officer's training program since both Hand-to-Hand and Military Strategy were part of the curriculum in Captain's Career Course when I was Cadre working there. I think the reason he hasn't been promoted is that he was retired when the world thought him dead. Given his training, he could have been commissioned and rose through the ranks to Captain, or he may have been an enlisted person who was posthumously given a battlefield commission and promoted to the rank of Captain. Until Marvel states what the official backstory is on his character all we can do is speculate on his rank, however, the fact he DID go through basic and other training is Canon.
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For those of you who are saying that Captain America, the Steve Rodgers version, was not a soldier and never went through Basic Training I looked it up on Two Marvel websites which appear in the image included here. As you can see from the top portion of the image taken from Marvel.com it says "After EXTENSIVE COMBAT TRAINING He debuted as Captain America". The bottom portion of the image from marveldirectory.com says "Rodgers was put through an INTENSIVE PHYSICAL AND TACTICAL TRAINING PROGRAM which included Hand-to-Hand combat and Military Strategy". So, according to Marvel themselves, Steve DID go through Basic Training and also something akin to an abbreviated Officer's training program since both Hand-to-Hand and Military Strategy were part of the curriculum in Captain's Career Course when I was Cadre working there. I think the reason he hasn't been promoted is that he was retired when the world thought him dead. Given his training, he could have been commissioned and rose through the ranks to Captain, or he may have been an enlisted person who was posthumously given a battlefield commission and promoted to the rank of Captain. Until Marvel states what the official backstory is on his character all we can do is speculate on his rank, however, the fact he DID go through basic and other training is Canon.
New contributor
add a comment |
For those of you who are saying that Captain America, the Steve Rodgers version, was not a soldier and never went through Basic Training I looked it up on Two Marvel websites which appear in the image included here. As you can see from the top portion of the image taken from Marvel.com it says "After EXTENSIVE COMBAT TRAINING He debuted as Captain America". The bottom portion of the image from marveldirectory.com says "Rodgers was put through an INTENSIVE PHYSICAL AND TACTICAL TRAINING PROGRAM which included Hand-to-Hand combat and Military Strategy". So, according to Marvel themselves, Steve DID go through Basic Training and also something akin to an abbreviated Officer's training program since both Hand-to-Hand and Military Strategy were part of the curriculum in Captain's Career Course when I was Cadre working there. I think the reason he hasn't been promoted is that he was retired when the world thought him dead. Given his training, he could have been commissioned and rose through the ranks to Captain, or he may have been an enlisted person who was posthumously given a battlefield commission and promoted to the rank of Captain. Until Marvel states what the official backstory is on his character all we can do is speculate on his rank, however, the fact he DID go through basic and other training is Canon.
New contributor
For those of you who are saying that Captain America, the Steve Rodgers version, was not a soldier and never went through Basic Training I looked it up on Two Marvel websites which appear in the image included here. As you can see from the top portion of the image taken from Marvel.com it says "After EXTENSIVE COMBAT TRAINING He debuted as Captain America". The bottom portion of the image from marveldirectory.com says "Rodgers was put through an INTENSIVE PHYSICAL AND TACTICAL TRAINING PROGRAM which included Hand-to-Hand combat and Military Strategy". So, according to Marvel themselves, Steve DID go through Basic Training and also something akin to an abbreviated Officer's training program since both Hand-to-Hand and Military Strategy were part of the curriculum in Captain's Career Course when I was Cadre working there. I think the reason he hasn't been promoted is that he was retired when the world thought him dead. Given his training, he could have been commissioned and rose through the ranks to Captain, or he may have been an enlisted person who was posthumously given a battlefield commission and promoted to the rank of Captain. Until Marvel states what the official backstory is on his character all we can do is speculate on his rank, however, the fact he DID go through basic and other training is Canon.
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Because Colonel America doesn't sound as good as Captain America?
– Ayrx
May 31 '14 at 15:57
14
He was Colonel America in the Marvel Zombie universe. It...ended badly.
– Jeff
May 31 '14 at 17:13
4
I suspect that it's the same reason that Captain Crunch has never been promoted. (Except in Futurama, but that's a cartoon.)
– Wayne
Jun 1 '14 at 0:45
5
Well, he's not really a Captain to begin with... sooo
– 22nd Century Fza
Jun 1 '14 at 5:45
5
So Colonel Sanders outranks Captain America? That's not cool.
– coburne
Jun 2 '14 at 13:11