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Did Indiana Jones affect the outcome of Raiders of the Lost Ark?


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Amy in Big Bang Theory explains to Sheldon that:




The Nazis would have followed the same path to their failure with or
without Indiana's interference.




But is this really the case? It looks as though they may have struggled to find the ark without the medallion. Perhaps they'd have never found it.



Is there anything conclusive (and not speculative) that shows he was or was not needed to advance the plot to its conclusion?










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    It certainly would have been harder if Indy hadn't come along, but they probably would have found the Ark one way or another, given enough time. The real question is: Why did Indy prevent the Ark from going to Germany? If he hadn't forced the Nazis' hand, they would presumably have brought the Ark to Berlin, opened in at a big ceremonial event with the entire Nazi leadership in the room, including Hitler, and all the Nazi brass would have melted and/or exploded at once, ending the war in a matter of seconds.

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    @WadCheber The benefit of hindsight. Surely he wouldn't know the effects? I forget the details of the ending.

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    He definitely knew that he and Marianne should keep their eyes closed while the Ark was opened. The question is when did he realize that they should do so? +1 by the way.

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    @WadCheber - Possibly worthy of its own question.

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    This was also asked on Movies.SE: Is Amy right about Indiana Jones being irrelevant to the outcome?

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Amy in Big Bang Theory explains to Sheldon that:




The Nazis would have followed the same path to their failure with or
without Indiana's interference.




But is this really the case? It looks as though they may have struggled to find the ark without the medallion. Perhaps they'd have never found it.



Is there anything conclusive (and not speculative) that shows he was or was not needed to advance the plot to its conclusion?










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    It certainly would have been harder if Indy hadn't come along, but they probably would have found the Ark one way or another, given enough time. The real question is: Why did Indy prevent the Ark from going to Germany? If he hadn't forced the Nazis' hand, they would presumably have brought the Ark to Berlin, opened in at a big ceremonial event with the entire Nazi leadership in the room, including Hitler, and all the Nazi brass would have melted and/or exploded at once, ending the war in a matter of seconds.

    – Wad Cheber
    Aug 1 '15 at 20:55






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    @WadCheber The benefit of hindsight. Surely he wouldn't know the effects? I forget the details of the ending.

    – AncientSwordRage
    Aug 1 '15 at 20:56






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    He definitely knew that he and Marianne should keep their eyes closed while the Ark was opened. The question is when did he realize that they should do so? +1 by the way.

    – Wad Cheber
    Aug 1 '15 at 20:58








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    @WadCheber - Possibly worthy of its own question.

    – Valorum
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Amy in Big Bang Theory explains to Sheldon that:




The Nazis would have followed the same path to their failure with or
without Indiana's interference.




But is this really the case? It looks as though they may have struggled to find the ark without the medallion. Perhaps they'd have never found it.



Is there anything conclusive (and not speculative) that shows he was or was not needed to advance the plot to its conclusion?










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Amy in Big Bang Theory explains to Sheldon that:




The Nazis would have followed the same path to their failure with or
without Indiana's interference.




But is this really the case? It looks as though they may have struggled to find the ark without the medallion. Perhaps they'd have never found it.



Is there anything conclusive (and not speculative) that shows he was or was not needed to advance the plot to its conclusion?







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    It certainly would have been harder if Indy hadn't come along, but they probably would have found the Ark one way or another, given enough time. The real question is: Why did Indy prevent the Ark from going to Germany? If he hadn't forced the Nazis' hand, they would presumably have brought the Ark to Berlin, opened in at a big ceremonial event with the entire Nazi leadership in the room, including Hitler, and all the Nazi brass would have melted and/or exploded at once, ending the war in a matter of seconds.

    – Wad Cheber
    Aug 1 '15 at 20:55






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    @WadCheber The benefit of hindsight. Surely he wouldn't know the effects? I forget the details of the ending.

    – AncientSwordRage
    Aug 1 '15 at 20:56






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    He definitely knew that he and Marianne should keep their eyes closed while the Ark was opened. The question is when did he realize that they should do so? +1 by the way.

    – Wad Cheber
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    @WadCheber - Possibly worthy of its own question.

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    It certainly would have been harder if Indy hadn't come along, but they probably would have found the Ark one way or another, given enough time. The real question is: Why did Indy prevent the Ark from going to Germany? If he hadn't forced the Nazis' hand, they would presumably have brought the Ark to Berlin, opened in at a big ceremonial event with the entire Nazi leadership in the room, including Hitler, and all the Nazi brass would have melted and/or exploded at once, ending the war in a matter of seconds.

    – Wad Cheber
    Aug 1 '15 at 20:55






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    @WadCheber The benefit of hindsight. Surely he wouldn't know the effects? I forget the details of the ending.

    – AncientSwordRage
    Aug 1 '15 at 20:56






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    He definitely knew that he and Marianne should keep their eyes closed while the Ark was opened. The question is when did he realize that they should do so? +1 by the way.

    – Wad Cheber
    Aug 1 '15 at 20:58








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It certainly would have been harder if Indy hadn't come along, but they probably would have found the Ark one way or another, given enough time. The real question is: Why did Indy prevent the Ark from going to Germany? If he hadn't forced the Nazis' hand, they would presumably have brought the Ark to Berlin, opened in at a big ceremonial event with the entire Nazi leadership in the room, including Hitler, and all the Nazi brass would have melted and/or exploded at once, ending the war in a matter of seconds.

– Wad Cheber
Aug 1 '15 at 20:55





It certainly would have been harder if Indy hadn't come along, but they probably would have found the Ark one way or another, given enough time. The real question is: Why did Indy prevent the Ark from going to Germany? If he hadn't forced the Nazis' hand, they would presumably have brought the Ark to Berlin, opened in at a big ceremonial event with the entire Nazi leadership in the room, including Hitler, and all the Nazi brass would have melted and/or exploded at once, ending the war in a matter of seconds.

– Wad Cheber
Aug 1 '15 at 20:55




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@WadCheber The benefit of hindsight. Surely he wouldn't know the effects? I forget the details of the ending.

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@WadCheber The benefit of hindsight. Surely he wouldn't know the effects? I forget the details of the ending.

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He definitely knew that he and Marianne should keep their eyes closed while the Ark was opened. The question is when did he realize that they should do so? +1 by the way.

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He definitely knew that he and Marianne should keep their eyes closed while the Ark was opened. The question is when did he realize that they should do so? +1 by the way.

– Wad Cheber
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The outcome, no. The aftermath, yes.



First off, it's worth noting that although the Germans were digging in nearly the right place when Indy arrived, he'd denied them the medallion which meant that they were several hundred metres out. This presumably would have slowed them down by at least a few days.



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Although it's arguable that Indy then helped the Germans to locate the ark several days early, he then delays the Germans for at least a couple of days by temporarily gaining possession of it. Basically after having achieved nothing of substance, it ends up being loaded onto the submarine and taken to the island, exactly as would have happened had he not been there.





Indy then further delays the ark from being opened for several seconds (by threatening it with a bazooka) before it's taken to the altar.



That's literally his entire contribution prior to it being opened. Obviously as "last man standing" once the ark was activated, he's then in a position to take possession of the ark which is clearly a big win for the good guys. Had he not been there, and since it's a secret German base, it's probable that the German army would have eventually come looking for their missing submarine and taken the ark back into their possession.






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    In hindsight, they would probably have opened it in Hitler's presence, killing him and saving millions of lives. Way to go, Indie!

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    Don't forget Belloq's line to Shliemann, who was objecting to the "Jewish ritual" of the ark-opening, to which Belloq replied "Let me ask you this--would you be more comfortable opening the Ark in Berlin--for the Fuhrer--and finding out only then if the sacred pieces of the Covenant are inside? Knowing, only then, whether you have accomplished your mission and obtained the one, true Ark?" So I think even without Indy, Belloq would have convinced the Nazis to have a "trial" Ark-opening in secret before presenting it to Hitler. But I agree it would have been back in Nazi hands afterwards.

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    Don't forget that the Germans were digging in the wrong place because Jones prevented the Germans from getting the medallion. They only had one side as burned into the guy's hand. Had Jones not been involved, the Germans would have gotten the actual medallion and would have dug in the correct place resulting in the Germans finding the Ark sooner.

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Indy's goal, and the goal in the story, was to gain control of the Ark of the Covenant and prevent the Nazis from using it either as a weapon or for propaganda. While he is thwarted in this at almost every point in the movie, and, up until the last few minutes, everything he does is undone by the Nazis or Belloq, let's look at what happens after the climax of the story.



After Belloq opens the Ark and unleashes climatic and catastrophic events, Indy and Marian are spared (because they are innately good or because they closed their eyes, or some other reason we never learn). At that point Belloq and all the Nazis with him are gone. But Indy and Marian are still on an island with a German submarine base. Supposedly there would still be members of the submarine crew and the base crew who were not with Belloq and were manning the base and the sub.



We don't know if it was easy or difficult, but Indy is able to take the Ark from where it was, successfully transport it back across the desert, and still arrange to get it back to the United States successfully. At the end we see the Ark in a warehouse in the US (or some English speaking nation), out of hands of the Nazis and in storage.



So up through the climax, Indy had no effect at all, but after that, we have evidence he did achieve his goal and, ultimately, keep the Ark out of Nazi reach and control. We don't see how he did it and it could have been something as simple as signalling an Allied ship to get transportation off the island or as difficult as disabling the Nazi base and commandeering the sub and taking it, with only Marian's help, back to Allied territory.






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    The warehouse is in Nevada, as reveiled in Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull. (No matter how much you dislike that film, it's still also canon.)

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Indy had a big role in the film, if he wasn't there, Marian would have died. Also like others have mentioned he made sure the ark was put in a safe place (even if he wasn't keen on the display nature of it), even if the Nazis took it to their homeland. Possibly millions could have died either in Germany or if Hitler knew more about the Ark then people of the world. Which is the point of a hero even if they are bad people no one deserves to die (unless its a small number where its life and death for survival as he shows in the film... think of James Bond with that licence to kill.. Its that hero decision to try and let no one die unless absolutely necessary .
Spider-Man Superman have extra power so they are more able to follow this whole not kill, but indy is just human like James bond so increasingly gets difficult, batman being the exception as he has pots of money for tech and gear



You have also got to see that he was trying to prevent the Nazis from finding it by taking the medallion; I see it as he was just caught but he was only trying to do it on the sly.



What Amy said in Big Bang theory is totally off the mark they just wrote it in to get laughs, it was her opinion which obviously is wrong, Sheldon should have mentioned my points but he didn't.






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    one quick thing to add.. even if that small group of Nazis opened it at the place they did, the Ark would have been out in the open (on its own) threatening more life for people who stuble across it who find it. for maybe even innocent people to open it there by Indy saving more lives

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Several things are likely to have not happened had Indy not been there. For example: The Nazis would not have followed him to Nepal to take the medallion from Mariane. However, given enough time, the Nazis would have eventually found the Ark. Originally though, however, the plan was to fly the Ark to Berlin to be opened for Hitler on a plane that was destroyed by Indy originally. From there, it would have killed Hitler and stopped WW2 from happening. Other events are unpredictable, however, but overall, the Nazis would have still died, making Amypartially right.






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There are a lot of hypotheticals in the whole "is Indy necessary to the progression of the story". Did the Nazis know of Marion before Tot followed Indy? If they did, how long before they found her and got the medallion? If they didn't, it's pretty safe to say the story would stop right there. So, Indy does basically start off the whole progression of the story. Also, his involvement saves Marion and only "gives" Tot only one side. Even with that one side, it's safe to say they would find the ark eventually, after digging enough. Then they'd test it somewhere and probably die. So for the Nazi's getting the ark, he's hypothetically unnecessary. But because Indy is such a good archeologist, he aided the Nazis into getting the ark much faster than they would have originally. His involvement does eventually keep the ark out of Hitler's possession






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    The outcome, no. The aftermath, yes.



    First off, it's worth noting that although the Germans were digging in nearly the right place when Indy arrived, he'd denied them the medallion which meant that they were several hundred metres out. This presumably would have slowed them down by at least a few days.



    enter image description here



    Although it's arguable that Indy then helped the Germans to locate the ark several days early, he then delays the Germans for at least a couple of days by temporarily gaining possession of it. Basically after having achieved nothing of substance, it ends up being loaded onto the submarine and taken to the island, exactly as would have happened had he not been there.





    Indy then further delays the ark from being opened for several seconds (by threatening it with a bazooka) before it's taken to the altar.



    That's literally his entire contribution prior to it being opened. Obviously as "last man standing" once the ark was activated, he's then in a position to take possession of the ark which is clearly a big win for the good guys. Had he not been there, and since it's a secret German base, it's probable that the German army would have eventually come looking for their missing submarine and taken the ark back into their possession.






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      In hindsight, they would probably have opened it in Hitler's presence, killing him and saving millions of lives. Way to go, Indie!

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      Don't forget Belloq's line to Shliemann, who was objecting to the "Jewish ritual" of the ark-opening, to which Belloq replied "Let me ask you this--would you be more comfortable opening the Ark in Berlin--for the Fuhrer--and finding out only then if the sacred pieces of the Covenant are inside? Knowing, only then, whether you have accomplished your mission and obtained the one, true Ark?" So I think even without Indy, Belloq would have convinced the Nazis to have a "trial" Ark-opening in secret before presenting it to Hitler. But I agree it would have been back in Nazi hands afterwards.

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      Don't forget that the Germans were digging in the wrong place because Jones prevented the Germans from getting the medallion. They only had one side as burned into the guy's hand. Had Jones not been involved, the Germans would have gotten the actual medallion and would have dug in the correct place resulting in the Germans finding the Ark sooner.

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      @unity - I remain convinced that they would have found some way to weaponise it. If nothing else, it would be an unimaginable PR coup for the Nazis.

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    The outcome, no. The aftermath, yes.



    First off, it's worth noting that although the Germans were digging in nearly the right place when Indy arrived, he'd denied them the medallion which meant that they were several hundred metres out. This presumably would have slowed them down by at least a few days.



    enter image description here



    Although it's arguable that Indy then helped the Germans to locate the ark several days early, he then delays the Germans for at least a couple of days by temporarily gaining possession of it. Basically after having achieved nothing of substance, it ends up being loaded onto the submarine and taken to the island, exactly as would have happened had he not been there.





    Indy then further delays the ark from being opened for several seconds (by threatening it with a bazooka) before it's taken to the altar.



    That's literally his entire contribution prior to it being opened. Obviously as "last man standing" once the ark was activated, he's then in a position to take possession of the ark which is clearly a big win for the good guys. Had he not been there, and since it's a secret German base, it's probable that the German army would have eventually come looking for their missing submarine and taken the ark back into their possession.






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      In hindsight, they would probably have opened it in Hitler's presence, killing him and saving millions of lives. Way to go, Indie!

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      Don't forget Belloq's line to Shliemann, who was objecting to the "Jewish ritual" of the ark-opening, to which Belloq replied "Let me ask you this--would you be more comfortable opening the Ark in Berlin--for the Fuhrer--and finding out only then if the sacred pieces of the Covenant are inside? Knowing, only then, whether you have accomplished your mission and obtained the one, true Ark?" So I think even without Indy, Belloq would have convinced the Nazis to have a "trial" Ark-opening in secret before presenting it to Hitler. But I agree it would have been back in Nazi hands afterwards.

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      Don't forget that the Germans were digging in the wrong place because Jones prevented the Germans from getting the medallion. They only had one side as burned into the guy's hand. Had Jones not been involved, the Germans would have gotten the actual medallion and would have dug in the correct place resulting in the Germans finding the Ark sooner.

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      @unity - I remain convinced that they would have found some way to weaponise it. If nothing else, it would be an unimaginable PR coup for the Nazis.

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    The outcome, no. The aftermath, yes.



    First off, it's worth noting that although the Germans were digging in nearly the right place when Indy arrived, he'd denied them the medallion which meant that they were several hundred metres out. This presumably would have slowed them down by at least a few days.



    enter image description here



    Although it's arguable that Indy then helped the Germans to locate the ark several days early, he then delays the Germans for at least a couple of days by temporarily gaining possession of it. Basically after having achieved nothing of substance, it ends up being loaded onto the submarine and taken to the island, exactly as would have happened had he not been there.





    Indy then further delays the ark from being opened for several seconds (by threatening it with a bazooka) before it's taken to the altar.



    That's literally his entire contribution prior to it being opened. Obviously as "last man standing" once the ark was activated, he's then in a position to take possession of the ark which is clearly a big win for the good guys. Had he not been there, and since it's a secret German base, it's probable that the German army would have eventually come looking for their missing submarine and taken the ark back into their possession.






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    The outcome, no. The aftermath, yes.



    First off, it's worth noting that although the Germans were digging in nearly the right place when Indy arrived, he'd denied them the medallion which meant that they were several hundred metres out. This presumably would have slowed them down by at least a few days.



    enter image description here



    Although it's arguable that Indy then helped the Germans to locate the ark several days early, he then delays the Germans for at least a couple of days by temporarily gaining possession of it. Basically after having achieved nothing of substance, it ends up being loaded onto the submarine and taken to the island, exactly as would have happened had he not been there.





    Indy then further delays the ark from being opened for several seconds (by threatening it with a bazooka) before it's taken to the altar.



    That's literally his entire contribution prior to it being opened. Obviously as "last man standing" once the ark was activated, he's then in a position to take possession of the ark which is clearly a big win for the good guys. Had he not been there, and since it's a secret German base, it's probable that the German army would have eventually come looking for their missing submarine and taken the ark back into their possession.







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      In hindsight, they would probably have opened it in Hitler's presence, killing him and saving millions of lives. Way to go, Indie!

      – Valorum
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      Don't forget Belloq's line to Shliemann, who was objecting to the "Jewish ritual" of the ark-opening, to which Belloq replied "Let me ask you this--would you be more comfortable opening the Ark in Berlin--for the Fuhrer--and finding out only then if the sacred pieces of the Covenant are inside? Knowing, only then, whether you have accomplished your mission and obtained the one, true Ark?" So I think even without Indy, Belloq would have convinced the Nazis to have a "trial" Ark-opening in secret before presenting it to Hitler. But I agree it would have been back in Nazi hands afterwards.

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      Don't forget that the Germans were digging in the wrong place because Jones prevented the Germans from getting the medallion. They only had one side as burned into the guy's hand. Had Jones not been involved, the Germans would have gotten the actual medallion and would have dug in the correct place resulting in the Germans finding the Ark sooner.

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      @unity - I remain convinced that they would have found some way to weaponise it. If nothing else, it would be an unimaginable PR coup for the Nazis.

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      @slebetman Or someone bright enough to keep their eyes shut

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      In hindsight, they would probably have opened it in Hitler's presence, killing him and saving millions of lives. Way to go, Indie!

      – Valorum
      Aug 2 '15 at 15:14






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      Don't forget Belloq's line to Shliemann, who was objecting to the "Jewish ritual" of the ark-opening, to which Belloq replied "Let me ask you this--would you be more comfortable opening the Ark in Berlin--for the Fuhrer--and finding out only then if the sacred pieces of the Covenant are inside? Knowing, only then, whether you have accomplished your mission and obtained the one, true Ark?" So I think even without Indy, Belloq would have convinced the Nazis to have a "trial" Ark-opening in secret before presenting it to Hitler. But I agree it would have been back in Nazi hands afterwards.

      – Hypnosifl
      Aug 2 '15 at 16:42








    • 7





      Don't forget that the Germans were digging in the wrong place because Jones prevented the Germans from getting the medallion. They only had one side as burned into the guy's hand. Had Jones not been involved, the Germans would have gotten the actual medallion and would have dug in the correct place resulting in the Germans finding the Ark sooner.

      – rmaddy
      Aug 2 '15 at 17:33






    • 4





      @unity - I remain convinced that they would have found some way to weaponise it. If nothing else, it would be an unimaginable PR coup for the Nazis.

      – Valorum
      Aug 2 '15 at 21:58








    • 6





      @slebetman Or someone bright enough to keep their eyes shut

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    In hindsight, they would probably have opened it in Hitler's presence, killing him and saving millions of lives. Way to go, Indie!

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    In hindsight, they would probably have opened it in Hitler's presence, killing him and saving millions of lives. Way to go, Indie!

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    Don't forget Belloq's line to Shliemann, who was objecting to the "Jewish ritual" of the ark-opening, to which Belloq replied "Let me ask you this--would you be more comfortable opening the Ark in Berlin--for the Fuhrer--and finding out only then if the sacred pieces of the Covenant are inside? Knowing, only then, whether you have accomplished your mission and obtained the one, true Ark?" So I think even without Indy, Belloq would have convinced the Nazis to have a "trial" Ark-opening in secret before presenting it to Hitler. But I agree it would have been back in Nazi hands afterwards.

    – Hypnosifl
    Aug 2 '15 at 16:42







    Don't forget Belloq's line to Shliemann, who was objecting to the "Jewish ritual" of the ark-opening, to which Belloq replied "Let me ask you this--would you be more comfortable opening the Ark in Berlin--for the Fuhrer--and finding out only then if the sacred pieces of the Covenant are inside? Knowing, only then, whether you have accomplished your mission and obtained the one, true Ark?" So I think even without Indy, Belloq would have convinced the Nazis to have a "trial" Ark-opening in secret before presenting it to Hitler. But I agree it would have been back in Nazi hands afterwards.

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    Don't forget that the Germans were digging in the wrong place because Jones prevented the Germans from getting the medallion. They only had one side as burned into the guy's hand. Had Jones not been involved, the Germans would have gotten the actual medallion and would have dug in the correct place resulting in the Germans finding the Ark sooner.

    – rmaddy
    Aug 2 '15 at 17:33





    Don't forget that the Germans were digging in the wrong place because Jones prevented the Germans from getting the medallion. They only had one side as burned into the guy's hand. Had Jones not been involved, the Germans would have gotten the actual medallion and would have dug in the correct place resulting in the Germans finding the Ark sooner.

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    @unity - I remain convinced that they would have found some way to weaponise it. If nothing else, it would be an unimaginable PR coup for the Nazis.

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    @unity - I remain convinced that they would have found some way to weaponise it. If nothing else, it would be an unimaginable PR coup for the Nazis.

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    @slebetman Or someone bright enough to keep their eyes shut

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    @slebetman Or someone bright enough to keep their eyes shut

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    Indy's goal, and the goal in the story, was to gain control of the Ark of the Covenant and prevent the Nazis from using it either as a weapon or for propaganda. While he is thwarted in this at almost every point in the movie, and, up until the last few minutes, everything he does is undone by the Nazis or Belloq, let's look at what happens after the climax of the story.



    After Belloq opens the Ark and unleashes climatic and catastrophic events, Indy and Marian are spared (because they are innately good or because they closed their eyes, or some other reason we never learn). At that point Belloq and all the Nazis with him are gone. But Indy and Marian are still on an island with a German submarine base. Supposedly there would still be members of the submarine crew and the base crew who were not with Belloq and were manning the base and the sub.



    We don't know if it was easy or difficult, but Indy is able to take the Ark from where it was, successfully transport it back across the desert, and still arrange to get it back to the United States successfully. At the end we see the Ark in a warehouse in the US (or some English speaking nation), out of hands of the Nazis and in storage.



    So up through the climax, Indy had no effect at all, but after that, we have evidence he did achieve his goal and, ultimately, keep the Ark out of Nazi reach and control. We don't see how he did it and it could have been something as simple as signalling an Allied ship to get transportation off the island or as difficult as disabling the Nazi base and commandeering the sub and taking it, with only Marian's help, back to Allied territory.






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      The warehouse is in Nevada, as reveiled in Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull. (No matter how much you dislike that film, it's still also canon.)

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      @leftaroundabout I believe it was supposed to be Area 51.

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    • @leftaroundabout: I left it open, in case some nitpicker decided to try to say it wasn't the US warehouse originally, or something like that.

      – Tango
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      it's still also canon. That movie did not exist. i don't know what you are talking about, but it cannot be canon.

      – njzk2
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      @leftaroundabout I always thought it was a Vatican werehouse

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    Indy's goal, and the goal in the story, was to gain control of the Ark of the Covenant and prevent the Nazis from using it either as a weapon or for propaganda. While he is thwarted in this at almost every point in the movie, and, up until the last few minutes, everything he does is undone by the Nazis or Belloq, let's look at what happens after the climax of the story.



    After Belloq opens the Ark and unleashes climatic and catastrophic events, Indy and Marian are spared (because they are innately good or because they closed their eyes, or some other reason we never learn). At that point Belloq and all the Nazis with him are gone. But Indy and Marian are still on an island with a German submarine base. Supposedly there would still be members of the submarine crew and the base crew who were not with Belloq and were manning the base and the sub.



    We don't know if it was easy or difficult, but Indy is able to take the Ark from where it was, successfully transport it back across the desert, and still arrange to get it back to the United States successfully. At the end we see the Ark in a warehouse in the US (or some English speaking nation), out of hands of the Nazis and in storage.



    So up through the climax, Indy had no effect at all, but after that, we have evidence he did achieve his goal and, ultimately, keep the Ark out of Nazi reach and control. We don't see how he did it and it could have been something as simple as signalling an Allied ship to get transportation off the island or as difficult as disabling the Nazi base and commandeering the sub and taking it, with only Marian's help, back to Allied territory.






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      The warehouse is in Nevada, as reveiled in Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull. (No matter how much you dislike that film, it's still also canon.)

      – leftaroundabout
      Aug 1 '15 at 22:21








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      @leftaroundabout I believe it was supposed to be Area 51.

      – World Engineer
      Aug 2 '15 at 3:54











    • @leftaroundabout: I left it open, in case some nitpicker decided to try to say it wasn't the US warehouse originally, or something like that.

      – Tango
      Aug 2 '15 at 21:29






    • 4





      it's still also canon. That movie did not exist. i don't know what you are talking about, but it cannot be canon.

      – njzk2
      Aug 3 '15 at 3:25






    • 1





      @leftaroundabout I always thought it was a Vatican werehouse

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      Aug 3 '15 at 9:06














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    Indy's goal, and the goal in the story, was to gain control of the Ark of the Covenant and prevent the Nazis from using it either as a weapon or for propaganda. While he is thwarted in this at almost every point in the movie, and, up until the last few minutes, everything he does is undone by the Nazis or Belloq, let's look at what happens after the climax of the story.



    After Belloq opens the Ark and unleashes climatic and catastrophic events, Indy and Marian are spared (because they are innately good or because they closed their eyes, or some other reason we never learn). At that point Belloq and all the Nazis with him are gone. But Indy and Marian are still on an island with a German submarine base. Supposedly there would still be members of the submarine crew and the base crew who were not with Belloq and were manning the base and the sub.



    We don't know if it was easy or difficult, but Indy is able to take the Ark from where it was, successfully transport it back across the desert, and still arrange to get it back to the United States successfully. At the end we see the Ark in a warehouse in the US (or some English speaking nation), out of hands of the Nazis and in storage.



    So up through the climax, Indy had no effect at all, but after that, we have evidence he did achieve his goal and, ultimately, keep the Ark out of Nazi reach and control. We don't see how he did it and it could have been something as simple as signalling an Allied ship to get transportation off the island or as difficult as disabling the Nazi base and commandeering the sub and taking it, with only Marian's help, back to Allied territory.






    share|improve this answer













    Indy's goal, and the goal in the story, was to gain control of the Ark of the Covenant and prevent the Nazis from using it either as a weapon or for propaganda. While he is thwarted in this at almost every point in the movie, and, up until the last few minutes, everything he does is undone by the Nazis or Belloq, let's look at what happens after the climax of the story.



    After Belloq opens the Ark and unleashes climatic and catastrophic events, Indy and Marian are spared (because they are innately good or because they closed their eyes, or some other reason we never learn). At that point Belloq and all the Nazis with him are gone. But Indy and Marian are still on an island with a German submarine base. Supposedly there would still be members of the submarine crew and the base crew who were not with Belloq and were manning the base and the sub.



    We don't know if it was easy or difficult, but Indy is able to take the Ark from where it was, successfully transport it back across the desert, and still arrange to get it back to the United States successfully. At the end we see the Ark in a warehouse in the US (or some English speaking nation), out of hands of the Nazis and in storage.



    So up through the climax, Indy had no effect at all, but after that, we have evidence he did achieve his goal and, ultimately, keep the Ark out of Nazi reach and control. We don't see how he did it and it could have been something as simple as signalling an Allied ship to get transportation off the island or as difficult as disabling the Nazi base and commandeering the sub and taking it, with only Marian's help, back to Allied territory.







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    • 11





      The warehouse is in Nevada, as reveiled in Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull. (No matter how much you dislike that film, it's still also canon.)

      – leftaroundabout
      Aug 1 '15 at 22:21








    • 2





      @leftaroundabout I believe it was supposed to be Area 51.

      – World Engineer
      Aug 2 '15 at 3:54











    • @leftaroundabout: I left it open, in case some nitpicker decided to try to say it wasn't the US warehouse originally, or something like that.

      – Tango
      Aug 2 '15 at 21:29






    • 4





      it's still also canon. That movie did not exist. i don't know what you are talking about, but it cannot be canon.

      – njzk2
      Aug 3 '15 at 3:25






    • 1





      @leftaroundabout I always thought it was a Vatican werehouse

      – Petersaber
      Aug 3 '15 at 9:06














    • 11





      The warehouse is in Nevada, as reveiled in Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull. (No matter how much you dislike that film, it's still also canon.)

      – leftaroundabout
      Aug 1 '15 at 22:21








    • 2





      @leftaroundabout I believe it was supposed to be Area 51.

      – World Engineer
      Aug 2 '15 at 3:54











    • @leftaroundabout: I left it open, in case some nitpicker decided to try to say it wasn't the US warehouse originally, or something like that.

      – Tango
      Aug 2 '15 at 21:29






    • 4





      it's still also canon. That movie did not exist. i don't know what you are talking about, but it cannot be canon.

      – njzk2
      Aug 3 '15 at 3:25






    • 1





      @leftaroundabout I always thought it was a Vatican werehouse

      – Petersaber
      Aug 3 '15 at 9:06








    11




    11





    The warehouse is in Nevada, as reveiled in Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull. (No matter how much you dislike that film, it's still also canon.)

    – leftaroundabout
    Aug 1 '15 at 22:21







    The warehouse is in Nevada, as reveiled in Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull. (No matter how much you dislike that film, it's still also canon.)

    – leftaroundabout
    Aug 1 '15 at 22:21






    2




    2





    @leftaroundabout I believe it was supposed to be Area 51.

    – World Engineer
    Aug 2 '15 at 3:54





    @leftaroundabout I believe it was supposed to be Area 51.

    – World Engineer
    Aug 2 '15 at 3:54













    @leftaroundabout: I left it open, in case some nitpicker decided to try to say it wasn't the US warehouse originally, or something like that.

    – Tango
    Aug 2 '15 at 21:29





    @leftaroundabout: I left it open, in case some nitpicker decided to try to say it wasn't the US warehouse originally, or something like that.

    – Tango
    Aug 2 '15 at 21:29




    4




    4





    it's still also canon. That movie did not exist. i don't know what you are talking about, but it cannot be canon.

    – njzk2
    Aug 3 '15 at 3:25





    it's still also canon. That movie did not exist. i don't know what you are talking about, but it cannot be canon.

    – njzk2
    Aug 3 '15 at 3:25




    1




    1





    @leftaroundabout I always thought it was a Vatican werehouse

    – Petersaber
    Aug 3 '15 at 9:06





    @leftaroundabout I always thought it was a Vatican werehouse

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    Aug 3 '15 at 9:06











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    Indy had a big role in the film, if he wasn't there, Marian would have died. Also like others have mentioned he made sure the ark was put in a safe place (even if he wasn't keen on the display nature of it), even if the Nazis took it to their homeland. Possibly millions could have died either in Germany or if Hitler knew more about the Ark then people of the world. Which is the point of a hero even if they are bad people no one deserves to die (unless its a small number where its life and death for survival as he shows in the film... think of James Bond with that licence to kill.. Its that hero decision to try and let no one die unless absolutely necessary .
    Spider-Man Superman have extra power so they are more able to follow this whole not kill, but indy is just human like James bond so increasingly gets difficult, batman being the exception as he has pots of money for tech and gear



    You have also got to see that he was trying to prevent the Nazis from finding it by taking the medallion; I see it as he was just caught but he was only trying to do it on the sly.



    What Amy said in Big Bang theory is totally off the mark they just wrote it in to get laughs, it was her opinion which obviously is wrong, Sheldon should have mentioned my points but he didn't.






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      one quick thing to add.. even if that small group of Nazis opened it at the place they did, the Ark would have been out in the open (on its own) threatening more life for people who stuble across it who find it. for maybe even innocent people to open it there by Indy saving more lives

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      A lot of this reads like little more than a rant

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    Indy had a big role in the film, if he wasn't there, Marian would have died. Also like others have mentioned he made sure the ark was put in a safe place (even if he wasn't keen on the display nature of it), even if the Nazis took it to their homeland. Possibly millions could have died either in Germany or if Hitler knew more about the Ark then people of the world. Which is the point of a hero even if they are bad people no one deserves to die (unless its a small number where its life and death for survival as he shows in the film... think of James Bond with that licence to kill.. Its that hero decision to try and let no one die unless absolutely necessary .
    Spider-Man Superman have extra power so they are more able to follow this whole not kill, but indy is just human like James bond so increasingly gets difficult, batman being the exception as he has pots of money for tech and gear



    You have also got to see that he was trying to prevent the Nazis from finding it by taking the medallion; I see it as he was just caught but he was only trying to do it on the sly.



    What Amy said in Big Bang theory is totally off the mark they just wrote it in to get laughs, it was her opinion which obviously is wrong, Sheldon should have mentioned my points but he didn't.






    share|improve this answer



















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      one quick thing to add.. even if that small group of Nazis opened it at the place they did, the Ark would have been out in the open (on its own) threatening more life for people who stuble across it who find it. for maybe even innocent people to open it there by Indy saving more lives

      – mik
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      A lot of this reads like little more than a rant

      – Valorum
      Feb 13 '18 at 21:11














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    Indy had a big role in the film, if he wasn't there, Marian would have died. Also like others have mentioned he made sure the ark was put in a safe place (even if he wasn't keen on the display nature of it), even if the Nazis took it to their homeland. Possibly millions could have died either in Germany or if Hitler knew more about the Ark then people of the world. Which is the point of a hero even if they are bad people no one deserves to die (unless its a small number where its life and death for survival as he shows in the film... think of James Bond with that licence to kill.. Its that hero decision to try and let no one die unless absolutely necessary .
    Spider-Man Superman have extra power so they are more able to follow this whole not kill, but indy is just human like James bond so increasingly gets difficult, batman being the exception as he has pots of money for tech and gear



    You have also got to see that he was trying to prevent the Nazis from finding it by taking the medallion; I see it as he was just caught but he was only trying to do it on the sly.



    What Amy said in Big Bang theory is totally off the mark they just wrote it in to get laughs, it was her opinion which obviously is wrong, Sheldon should have mentioned my points but he didn't.






    share|improve this answer













    Indy had a big role in the film, if he wasn't there, Marian would have died. Also like others have mentioned he made sure the ark was put in a safe place (even if he wasn't keen on the display nature of it), even if the Nazis took it to their homeland. Possibly millions could have died either in Germany or if Hitler knew more about the Ark then people of the world. Which is the point of a hero even if they are bad people no one deserves to die (unless its a small number where its life and death for survival as he shows in the film... think of James Bond with that licence to kill.. Its that hero decision to try and let no one die unless absolutely necessary .
    Spider-Man Superman have extra power so they are more able to follow this whole not kill, but indy is just human like James bond so increasingly gets difficult, batman being the exception as he has pots of money for tech and gear



    You have also got to see that he was trying to prevent the Nazis from finding it by taking the medallion; I see it as he was just caught but he was only trying to do it on the sly.



    What Amy said in Big Bang theory is totally off the mark they just wrote it in to get laughs, it was her opinion which obviously is wrong, Sheldon should have mentioned my points but he didn't.







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      one quick thing to add.. even if that small group of Nazis opened it at the place they did, the Ark would have been out in the open (on its own) threatening more life for people who stuble across it who find it. for maybe even innocent people to open it there by Indy saving more lives

      – mik
      Feb 13 '18 at 10:17








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      A lot of this reads like little more than a rant

      – Valorum
      Feb 13 '18 at 21:11














    • 1





      one quick thing to add.. even if that small group of Nazis opened it at the place they did, the Ark would have been out in the open (on its own) threatening more life for people who stuble across it who find it. for maybe even innocent people to open it there by Indy saving more lives

      – mik
      Feb 13 '18 at 10:17








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      A lot of this reads like little more than a rant

      – Valorum
      Feb 13 '18 at 21:11








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    one quick thing to add.. even if that small group of Nazis opened it at the place they did, the Ark would have been out in the open (on its own) threatening more life for people who stuble across it who find it. for maybe even innocent people to open it there by Indy saving more lives

    – mik
    Feb 13 '18 at 10:17







    one quick thing to add.. even if that small group of Nazis opened it at the place they did, the Ark would have been out in the open (on its own) threatening more life for people who stuble across it who find it. for maybe even innocent people to open it there by Indy saving more lives

    – mik
    Feb 13 '18 at 10:17






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    A lot of this reads like little more than a rant

    – Valorum
    Feb 13 '18 at 21:11





    A lot of this reads like little more than a rant

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    Several things are likely to have not happened had Indy not been there. For example: The Nazis would not have followed him to Nepal to take the medallion from Mariane. However, given enough time, the Nazis would have eventually found the Ark. Originally though, however, the plan was to fly the Ark to Berlin to be opened for Hitler on a plane that was destroyed by Indy originally. From there, it would have killed Hitler and stopped WW2 from happening. Other events are unpredictable, however, but overall, the Nazis would have still died, making Amypartially right.






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    Several things are likely to have not happened had Indy not been there. For example: The Nazis would not have followed him to Nepal to take the medallion from Mariane. However, given enough time, the Nazis would have eventually found the Ark. Originally though, however, the plan was to fly the Ark to Berlin to be opened for Hitler on a plane that was destroyed by Indy originally. From there, it would have killed Hitler and stopped WW2 from happening. Other events are unpredictable, however, but overall, the Nazis would have still died, making Amypartially right.






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      Welcome to SciFi.SE! There's nothing wrong with resurrecting years-old questions, so long as you're bringing something new to the table: bear in mind that StackExchange is a Q&A site, not a discussion forum. Feel free to take the tour and visit the help center to learn more about the site.

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    Several things are likely to have not happened had Indy not been there. For example: The Nazis would not have followed him to Nepal to take the medallion from Mariane. However, given enough time, the Nazis would have eventually found the Ark. Originally though, however, the plan was to fly the Ark to Berlin to be opened for Hitler on a plane that was destroyed by Indy originally. From there, it would have killed Hitler and stopped WW2 from happening. Other events are unpredictable, however, but overall, the Nazis would have still died, making Amypartially right.






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    Several things are likely to have not happened had Indy not been there. For example: The Nazis would not have followed him to Nepal to take the medallion from Mariane. However, given enough time, the Nazis would have eventually found the Ark. Originally though, however, the plan was to fly the Ark to Berlin to be opened for Hitler on a plane that was destroyed by Indy originally. From there, it would have killed Hitler and stopped WW2 from happening. Other events are unpredictable, however, but overall, the Nazis would have still died, making Amypartially right.







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    edited Sep 14 '18 at 19:01









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    answered Sep 14 '18 at 18:44









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      Welcome to SciFi.SE! There's nothing wrong with resurrecting years-old questions, so long as you're bringing something new to the table: bear in mind that StackExchange is a Q&A site, not a discussion forum. Feel free to take the tour and visit the help center to learn more about the site.

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    There are a lot of hypotheticals in the whole "is Indy necessary to the progression of the story". Did the Nazis know of Marion before Tot followed Indy? If they did, how long before they found her and got the medallion? If they didn't, it's pretty safe to say the story would stop right there. So, Indy does basically start off the whole progression of the story. Also, his involvement saves Marion and only "gives" Tot only one side. Even with that one side, it's safe to say they would find the ark eventually, after digging enough. Then they'd test it somewhere and probably die. So for the Nazi's getting the ark, he's hypothetically unnecessary. But because Indy is such a good archeologist, he aided the Nazis into getting the ark much faster than they would have originally. His involvement does eventually keep the ark out of Hitler's possession






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        There are a lot of hypotheticals in the whole "is Indy necessary to the progression of the story". Did the Nazis know of Marion before Tot followed Indy? If they did, how long before they found her and got the medallion? If they didn't, it's pretty safe to say the story would stop right there. So, Indy does basically start off the whole progression of the story. Also, his involvement saves Marion and only "gives" Tot only one side. Even with that one side, it's safe to say they would find the ark eventually, after digging enough. Then they'd test it somewhere and probably die. So for the Nazi's getting the ark, he's hypothetically unnecessary. But because Indy is such a good archeologist, he aided the Nazis into getting the ark much faster than they would have originally. His involvement does eventually keep the ark out of Hitler's possession






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        There are a lot of hypotheticals in the whole "is Indy necessary to the progression of the story". Did the Nazis know of Marion before Tot followed Indy? If they did, how long before they found her and got the medallion? If they didn't, it's pretty safe to say the story would stop right there. So, Indy does basically start off the whole progression of the story. Also, his involvement saves Marion and only "gives" Tot only one side. Even with that one side, it's safe to say they would find the ark eventually, after digging enough. Then they'd test it somewhere and probably die. So for the Nazi's getting the ark, he's hypothetically unnecessary. But because Indy is such a good archeologist, he aided the Nazis into getting the ark much faster than they would have originally. His involvement does eventually keep the ark out of Hitler's possession







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