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What does it mean to forget the face of one's father?


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In the Dark Tower movie, Roland's Gunslinger creed shows up a few times. It talks about the right and the wrong way to fight with guns, and repeatedly says that he who does it the wrong way "has forgotten the face of his father." The phrase pops up again in the bus scene, where he tells the flirtatious party girls that they have forgotten the faces of their fathers. From his tone it's clearly intended as a serious insult, but it's never explained what that means.



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    In the Dark Tower movie, Roland's Gunslinger creed shows up a few times. It talks about the right and the wrong way to fight with guns, and repeatedly says that he who does it the wrong way "has forgotten the face of his father." The phrase pops up again in the bus scene, where he tells the flirtatious party girls that they have forgotten the faces of their fathers. From his tone it's clearly intended as a serious insult, but it's never explained what that means.



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      In the Dark Tower movie, Roland's Gunslinger creed shows up a few times. It talks about the right and the wrong way to fight with guns, and repeatedly says that he who does it the wrong way "has forgotten the face of his father." The phrase pops up again in the bus scene, where he tells the flirtatious party girls that they have forgotten the faces of their fathers. From his tone it's clearly intended as a serious insult, but it's never explained what that means.



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      In the Dark Tower movie, Roland's Gunslinger creed shows up a few times. It talks about the right and the wrong way to fight with guns, and repeatedly says that he who does it the wrong way "has forgotten the face of his father." The phrase pops up again in the bus scene, where he tells the flirtatious party girls that they have forgotten the faces of their fathers. From his tone it's clearly intended as a serious insult, but it's never explained what that means.



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          Said about one's self, it was used as a statement of remorse and shame; the idea being that you are watched over by your ancestors, and should never do anything to shame them -- having forgotten the face of your father could be said to be short for forgetting that he is ever watching you. Said about someone else, it indicated they should feel such shame.



          Robin Furth (who was a research assistant to King, and wrote the Dark Tower Concordance - an excellent work if you are a fan of the Dark Tower, or King in general) said the following in the Concordance:




          To a man who belonged to the tet of the gun, losing his life was preferable to losing his honor, since loss of honor reflected not just on himself but on all of his male ancestors. Among gunslingers, the saying “I have forgotten the face of my father” was the ultimate statement of remorse.




          and, later




          I HAVE FORGOTTEN THE FACE OF MY FATHER: This is a term often used by Roland. It is a phrase of shame. When one has forgotten the face of one’s father, it means that one has behaved dishonorably. Mid-World is patriarchal, a cultural structure that is older than either the aristocracy of gunslingers (the Barons of Mid-World), or the kingship of Arthur Eld. When Eddie and Susannah visit the Cradle of Lud, they see the sculpted visages of “stern men with the harsh faces of executioners who are happy in their work” (III:343). We do not know whether these men were judges, justices, politicians, or legendary forefathers, but their sculpted faces, somehow reminiscent of busts of Roman senators, tell us something about both the pride and the unrelenting harshness of the Great Old Ones. Like the Romans, or our own culture, they were guilty of hubris. I:97




          This then correlates with a later entry:




          I SWEAR ON THE FACE OF MY FATHER: I swear upon all I hold sacred. VI:188




          And, perhaps the most evocative image, from the section:




          REMEMBER THE FACE OF YOR [sic.] FATHER. HE WATCHES YOU FROM THE CLEARING: Remain honorable because your ancestors are watching you. W:285


          From Section: MID-WORLD ARGOT, ROLAND’S VERSIONS OF OUR WORDS, AND TERMS USED IN THIS CONCORDANCE







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            It's essentially the equivalent of failing to "honour thy father".



            There's a glossary of all the phrases and words used in The Dark Tower series:



            http://stephenking.com/darktower/glossary.html




            I HAVE FORGOTTEN THE FACE OF MY FATHER



            This is a term often used by Roland. It is a phrase of shame. If you have forgotten the face of your father, it means that you have behaved dishonorably.







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              The consensus is that the phrase means "shame".



              Think of it this way: When someone does not remember the ideals and values of one's mentors or father-figure, you have "forgotten their face".






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              Said about one's self, it was used as a statement of remorse and shame; the idea being that you are watched over by your ancestors, and should never do anything to shame them -- having forgotten the face of your father could be said to be short for forgetting that he is ever watching you. Said about someone else, it indicated they should feel such shame.



              Robin Furth (who was a research assistant to King, and wrote the Dark Tower Concordance - an excellent work if you are a fan of the Dark Tower, or King in general) said the following in the Concordance:




              To a man who belonged to the tet of the gun, losing his life was preferable to losing his honor, since loss of honor reflected not just on himself but on all of his male ancestors. Among gunslingers, the saying “I have forgotten the face of my father” was the ultimate statement of remorse.




              and, later




              I HAVE FORGOTTEN THE FACE OF MY FATHER: This is a term often used by Roland. It is a phrase of shame. When one has forgotten the face of one’s father, it means that one has behaved dishonorably. Mid-World is patriarchal, a cultural structure that is older than either the aristocracy of gunslingers (the Barons of Mid-World), or the kingship of Arthur Eld. When Eddie and Susannah visit the Cradle of Lud, they see the sculpted visages of “stern men with the harsh faces of executioners who are happy in their work” (III:343). We do not know whether these men were judges, justices, politicians, or legendary forefathers, but their sculpted faces, somehow reminiscent of busts of Roman senators, tell us something about both the pride and the unrelenting harshness of the Great Old Ones. Like the Romans, or our own culture, they were guilty of hubris. I:97




              This then correlates with a later entry:




              I SWEAR ON THE FACE OF MY FATHER: I swear upon all I hold sacred. VI:188




              And, perhaps the most evocative image, from the section:




              REMEMBER THE FACE OF YOR [sic.] FATHER. HE WATCHES YOU FROM THE CLEARING: Remain honorable because your ancestors are watching you. W:285


              From Section: MID-WORLD ARGOT, ROLAND’S VERSIONS OF OUR WORDS, AND TERMS USED IN THIS CONCORDANCE







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                Said about one's self, it was used as a statement of remorse and shame; the idea being that you are watched over by your ancestors, and should never do anything to shame them -- having forgotten the face of your father could be said to be short for forgetting that he is ever watching you. Said about someone else, it indicated they should feel such shame.



                Robin Furth (who was a research assistant to King, and wrote the Dark Tower Concordance - an excellent work if you are a fan of the Dark Tower, or King in general) said the following in the Concordance:




                To a man who belonged to the tet of the gun, losing his life was preferable to losing his honor, since loss of honor reflected not just on himself but on all of his male ancestors. Among gunslingers, the saying “I have forgotten the face of my father” was the ultimate statement of remorse.




                and, later




                I HAVE FORGOTTEN THE FACE OF MY FATHER: This is a term often used by Roland. It is a phrase of shame. When one has forgotten the face of one’s father, it means that one has behaved dishonorably. Mid-World is patriarchal, a cultural structure that is older than either the aristocracy of gunslingers (the Barons of Mid-World), or the kingship of Arthur Eld. When Eddie and Susannah visit the Cradle of Lud, they see the sculpted visages of “stern men with the harsh faces of executioners who are happy in their work” (III:343). We do not know whether these men were judges, justices, politicians, or legendary forefathers, but their sculpted faces, somehow reminiscent of busts of Roman senators, tell us something about both the pride and the unrelenting harshness of the Great Old Ones. Like the Romans, or our own culture, they were guilty of hubris. I:97




                This then correlates with a later entry:




                I SWEAR ON THE FACE OF MY FATHER: I swear upon all I hold sacred. VI:188




                And, perhaps the most evocative image, from the section:




                REMEMBER THE FACE OF YOR [sic.] FATHER. HE WATCHES YOU FROM THE CLEARING: Remain honorable because your ancestors are watching you. W:285


                From Section: MID-WORLD ARGOT, ROLAND’S VERSIONS OF OUR WORDS, AND TERMS USED IN THIS CONCORDANCE







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                  Said about one's self, it was used as a statement of remorse and shame; the idea being that you are watched over by your ancestors, and should never do anything to shame them -- having forgotten the face of your father could be said to be short for forgetting that he is ever watching you. Said about someone else, it indicated they should feel such shame.



                  Robin Furth (who was a research assistant to King, and wrote the Dark Tower Concordance - an excellent work if you are a fan of the Dark Tower, or King in general) said the following in the Concordance:




                  To a man who belonged to the tet of the gun, losing his life was preferable to losing his honor, since loss of honor reflected not just on himself but on all of his male ancestors. Among gunslingers, the saying “I have forgotten the face of my father” was the ultimate statement of remorse.




                  and, later




                  I HAVE FORGOTTEN THE FACE OF MY FATHER: This is a term often used by Roland. It is a phrase of shame. When one has forgotten the face of one’s father, it means that one has behaved dishonorably. Mid-World is patriarchal, a cultural structure that is older than either the aristocracy of gunslingers (the Barons of Mid-World), or the kingship of Arthur Eld. When Eddie and Susannah visit the Cradle of Lud, they see the sculpted visages of “stern men with the harsh faces of executioners who are happy in their work” (III:343). We do not know whether these men were judges, justices, politicians, or legendary forefathers, but their sculpted faces, somehow reminiscent of busts of Roman senators, tell us something about both the pride and the unrelenting harshness of the Great Old Ones. Like the Romans, or our own culture, they were guilty of hubris. I:97




                  This then correlates with a later entry:




                  I SWEAR ON THE FACE OF MY FATHER: I swear upon all I hold sacred. VI:188




                  And, perhaps the most evocative image, from the section:




                  REMEMBER THE FACE OF YOR [sic.] FATHER. HE WATCHES YOU FROM THE CLEARING: Remain honorable because your ancestors are watching you. W:285


                  From Section: MID-WORLD ARGOT, ROLAND’S VERSIONS OF OUR WORDS, AND TERMS USED IN THIS CONCORDANCE







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                  Said about one's self, it was used as a statement of remorse and shame; the idea being that you are watched over by your ancestors, and should never do anything to shame them -- having forgotten the face of your father could be said to be short for forgetting that he is ever watching you. Said about someone else, it indicated they should feel such shame.



                  Robin Furth (who was a research assistant to King, and wrote the Dark Tower Concordance - an excellent work if you are a fan of the Dark Tower, or King in general) said the following in the Concordance:




                  To a man who belonged to the tet of the gun, losing his life was preferable to losing his honor, since loss of honor reflected not just on himself but on all of his male ancestors. Among gunslingers, the saying “I have forgotten the face of my father” was the ultimate statement of remorse.




                  and, later




                  I HAVE FORGOTTEN THE FACE OF MY FATHER: This is a term often used by Roland. It is a phrase of shame. When one has forgotten the face of one’s father, it means that one has behaved dishonorably. Mid-World is patriarchal, a cultural structure that is older than either the aristocracy of gunslingers (the Barons of Mid-World), or the kingship of Arthur Eld. When Eddie and Susannah visit the Cradle of Lud, they see the sculpted visages of “stern men with the harsh faces of executioners who are happy in their work” (III:343). We do not know whether these men were judges, justices, politicians, or legendary forefathers, but their sculpted faces, somehow reminiscent of busts of Roman senators, tell us something about both the pride and the unrelenting harshness of the Great Old Ones. Like the Romans, or our own culture, they were guilty of hubris. I:97




                  This then correlates with a later entry:




                  I SWEAR ON THE FACE OF MY FATHER: I swear upon all I hold sacred. VI:188




                  And, perhaps the most evocative image, from the section:




                  REMEMBER THE FACE OF YOR [sic.] FATHER. HE WATCHES YOU FROM THE CLEARING: Remain honorable because your ancestors are watching you. W:285


                  From Section: MID-WORLD ARGOT, ROLAND’S VERSIONS OF OUR WORDS, AND TERMS USED IN THIS CONCORDANCE








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                      It's essentially the equivalent of failing to "honour thy father".



                      There's a glossary of all the phrases and words used in The Dark Tower series:



                      http://stephenking.com/darktower/glossary.html




                      I HAVE FORGOTTEN THE FACE OF MY FATHER



                      This is a term often used by Roland. It is a phrase of shame. If you have forgotten the face of your father, it means that you have behaved dishonorably.







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                        It's essentially the equivalent of failing to "honour thy father".



                        There's a glossary of all the phrases and words used in The Dark Tower series:



                        http://stephenking.com/darktower/glossary.html




                        I HAVE FORGOTTEN THE FACE OF MY FATHER



                        This is a term often used by Roland. It is a phrase of shame. If you have forgotten the face of your father, it means that you have behaved dishonorably.







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                          It's essentially the equivalent of failing to "honour thy father".



                          There's a glossary of all the phrases and words used in The Dark Tower series:



                          http://stephenking.com/darktower/glossary.html




                          I HAVE FORGOTTEN THE FACE OF MY FATHER



                          This is a term often used by Roland. It is a phrase of shame. If you have forgotten the face of your father, it means that you have behaved dishonorably.







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                          It's essentially the equivalent of failing to "honour thy father".



                          There's a glossary of all the phrases and words used in The Dark Tower series:



                          http://stephenking.com/darktower/glossary.html




                          I HAVE FORGOTTEN THE FACE OF MY FATHER



                          This is a term often used by Roland. It is a phrase of shame. If you have forgotten the face of your father, it means that you have behaved dishonorably.








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                              The consensus is that the phrase means "shame".



                              Think of it this way: When someone does not remember the ideals and values of one's mentors or father-figure, you have "forgotten their face".






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                              The consensus is that the phrase means "shame".



                              Think of it this way: When someone does not remember the ideals and values of one's mentors or father-figure, you have "forgotten their face".






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                              The consensus is that the phrase means "shame".



                              Think of it this way: When someone does not remember the ideals and values of one's mentors or father-figure, you have "forgotten their face".






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                              The consensus is that the phrase means "shame".



                              Think of it this way: When someone does not remember the ideals and values of one's mentors or father-figure, you have "forgotten their face".







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