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Landlord wants to switch my lease to a “Land contract” to “get back at the city”
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I've been living at this place for about two months and my lease looks pretty typical. Nothing unusual. I've had no problems so far.
Today my landlord called me and explained something about the city wanting to fine him for a rental inspection that only covers the outside of the house, and so he's outraged that he has to pay the fine for some guy to just look at the house from the side walk. He then explained that his plan is to present me with a "land agreement" and also a contract to invalidate the current lease so that I'm just paying him for the land agreement instead. I'm pretty confused about this whole thing and it doesn't seem right..
Through some quick googling it sounds like I'd suddenly have to pay taxes in he property as if I owner it? And I suddenly become responsible for paying the fee he's complaining about? Not to mention I don't know if any tenant rights apply anymore?
I'm deeply confused and would like to know if this is a thing many landlords try to do and whether there's anything I should start doing to cover myself if my landlord starts getting weirder.
Update: he says it could be a few months before he has the land contract for me to sign. I haven't agreed to anything and told him I'm going to check with a lawyer before taking any action.
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I've been living at this place for about two months and my lease looks pretty typical. Nothing unusual. I've had no problems so far.
Today my landlord called me and explained something about the city wanting to fine him for a rental inspection that only covers the outside of the house, and so he's outraged that he has to pay the fine for some guy to just look at the house from the side walk. He then explained that his plan is to present me with a "land agreement" and also a contract to invalidate the current lease so that I'm just paying him for the land agreement instead. I'm pretty confused about this whole thing and it doesn't seem right..
Through some quick googling it sounds like I'd suddenly have to pay taxes in he property as if I owner it? And I suddenly become responsible for paying the fee he's complaining about? Not to mention I don't know if any tenant rights apply anymore?
I'm deeply confused and would like to know if this is a thing many landlords try to do and whether there's anything I should start doing to cover myself if my landlord starts getting weirder.
Update: he says it could be a few months before he has the land contract for me to sign. I haven't agreed to anything and told him I'm going to check with a lawyer before taking any action.
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Is the property being rented a house, an apartment, or what?
– David Siegel
1 hour ago
@DavidSiegel A rented house and I'm only two months into my year long lease.
– BooleanCheese
57 mins ago
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I've been living at this place for about two months and my lease looks pretty typical. Nothing unusual. I've had no problems so far.
Today my landlord called me and explained something about the city wanting to fine him for a rental inspection that only covers the outside of the house, and so he's outraged that he has to pay the fine for some guy to just look at the house from the side walk. He then explained that his plan is to present me with a "land agreement" and also a contract to invalidate the current lease so that I'm just paying him for the land agreement instead. I'm pretty confused about this whole thing and it doesn't seem right..
Through some quick googling it sounds like I'd suddenly have to pay taxes in he property as if I owner it? And I suddenly become responsible for paying the fee he's complaining about? Not to mention I don't know if any tenant rights apply anymore?
I'm deeply confused and would like to know if this is a thing many landlords try to do and whether there's anything I should start doing to cover myself if my landlord starts getting weirder.
Update: he says it could be a few months before he has the land contract for me to sign. I haven't agreed to anything and told him I'm going to check with a lawyer before taking any action.
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I've been living at this place for about two months and my lease looks pretty typical. Nothing unusual. I've had no problems so far.
Today my landlord called me and explained something about the city wanting to fine him for a rental inspection that only covers the outside of the house, and so he's outraged that he has to pay the fine for some guy to just look at the house from the side walk. He then explained that his plan is to present me with a "land agreement" and also a contract to invalidate the current lease so that I'm just paying him for the land agreement instead. I'm pretty confused about this whole thing and it doesn't seem right..
Through some quick googling it sounds like I'd suddenly have to pay taxes in he property as if I owner it? And I suddenly become responsible for paying the fee he's complaining about? Not to mention I don't know if any tenant rights apply anymore?
I'm deeply confused and would like to know if this is a thing many landlords try to do and whether there's anything I should start doing to cover myself if my landlord starts getting weirder.
Update: he says it could be a few months before he has the land contract for me to sign. I haven't agreed to anything and told him I'm going to check with a lawyer before taking any action.
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Is the property being rented a house, an apartment, or what?
– David Siegel
1 hour ago
@DavidSiegel A rented house and I'm only two months into my year long lease.
– BooleanCheese
57 mins ago
add a comment |
Is the property being rented a house, an apartment, or what?
– David Siegel
1 hour ago
@DavidSiegel A rented house and I'm only two months into my year long lease.
– BooleanCheese
57 mins ago
Is the property being rented a house, an apartment, or what?
– David Siegel
1 hour ago
Is the property being rented a house, an apartment, or what?
– David Siegel
1 hour ago
@DavidSiegel A rented house and I'm only two months into my year long lease.
– BooleanCheese
57 mins ago
@DavidSiegel A rented house and I'm only two months into my year long lease.
– BooleanCheese
57 mins ago
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A "land contract" is not a way of renting property, it is a way of purchasing property on an installment basis without bank financing. It is Ohio's version of what in some other places is known as "contract for deed".
See "What is a Land Contract in Ohio" and "How Land Contracts Work" The actual law is Section 5313.
In a land contract, the buyer has equitable but not legal title. The buyer normally pays all taxes and fees, and is responsible for maintaining the property, just as if s/he has bought the property. But if the buyer defaults, all payments and equity would be forfeit to the seller. Until the buyer has paid 20% of the purchase price, or made 5 years of payments (whichever comes first) a single3 missed payment constitutes default and can lead to the buyer being evicted with all payments to date going to the seller, the buyer coming out of the deal with nothing.
Also, if the seller still has a mortgage and defaults, the buyer may lose everything paid to date. The buyer does not have the protections that a lease gives a tenant, nor the protections that legal title gives a purchaser via a traditional mortgage.
Land contracts are often used when the buyer cannot qualify for a mortgage.
The buyer pays interest, and it is often at a higher rate than the current rate on a mortgage.
Land contracts are often a form of predatory lending, but for some buyers they make sense. A buyer needs to carefully review the contract with a lawyer knowledgeable about land contracts, and consider the risks and benefits of this form of financing.
As I understand it, there cannot be a valid land contract for one apartment in an apartment building. A land contract must be for title to the land and all fixtures, including all buildings, on it.
It is not clear just what the OP's landlord (LL) has in mind. It may be that LL plans to offer a "land contract" in which the purchase would be completed only after a very long time, with the idea that the OP woulkd simply default when s/he wanted to move. Such a default could harm the OP's credit. There seems no benefit to the OP in such a scheme compared to a lease, unless LL will lower the price significantly, taking into account maintenance costs and taxes, which OP may well be expected to pay under a land contract.
OP needs to very carefully consider just what is being offered, and its risks and any possible benefits. Details of the contract will matter.
The tags say rental property. It does not seem as though the owner is intending "land contract" to have the meaning it normally does.
– Putvi
57 mins ago
5
The tags are what OP thinks applies, and it is a rental now. LL may well be trying to distort or misuse a "land contract", we can't really tell without seeing the proposed contract. LL may have a crazy idea that won't work, but it may harm OP in the process, if OP goes along.
– David Siegel
53 mins ago
@Putvi You are correct in that I am not planning on buying the property and had never even heard the term before today. I do not plan on signing the land contract and I have given no cause for my landlord to terminate the current lease, but this is probably enough concern for me to find elsewhere to move when this lease is up. I have not been offered any form of compensation to sign the land contract and my landlord thinks that I'll voluntarily agree to terminate the lease and sign the land contract for the sake of helping him screw the city. This is all based on a single phonecall.
– BooleanCheese
50 mins ago
2
@BooleanCheese the landlord cna't legally force you to sign a document cancelling your lease, or to sign whatever he will call a "land contract". Nor can he cancel the lease without your consent except for good cause as specified in the law (such as not paying rent). He could become uncooperative on other matters if you don't do as he wants. If you do cancel your lease, you lose some rights. Others are guaranteed by law as long as you are paying rent. If you sign a "land contract" what happens depends on its provisions.
– David Siegel
38 mins ago
2
It may be worth mentioning that if the OP signs this contract with the knowledge of the LL intending to defraud the municipality, that the OP would be guilty of participating in the fraud. There is no reason that the OP should sign this contract unless they have actual intention to participate in the land contract for a valid reason.
– Ron Beyer
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Tax wise, you don't have to pay taxes on someone else's property. The same goes for the inspection. He has to be inspected because he is renting to someone else, you aren't.
He isn't selling you land, if you are paying him for the apartment, you are still a renter, so no matter what he calls it, the building must be inspected, because someone lives there.
But what's the advantage for him if he makes it a land contract?
– BooleanCheese
3 hours ago
There isn't one. People have tried crazy things to get out of paying fees and such since the beginning of time.
– Putvi
3 hours ago
Land contract is supposed to mean that he takes no interest in it while you pay for it buy the month, but if he is using it to rent to you as in he would own it, he gets no benefits. Hes just trying to change the wording to cheat the city and not live up to what it really should mean.
– Putvi
3 hours ago
4
This answer appears to misunderstand what a land contract is in Ohio, and make assertions which are not or may not be true. See my answer.
– David Siegel
1 hour ago
3
OP doesn't really know what LL is offering, because OP hasn't seen the contract yet. If it purports to be a land contract, and fulfills the legal minimum under Sec 5313, it is a land contract, and OP may be on the hook for taxes and repairs. If the offered contract does not comply with 5313, it is hard to say what effect it will have, but OP will have given up any lease, it seems. OP might then be renting month-to-month. But who knows?
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A "land contract" is not a way of renting property, it is a way of purchasing property on an installment basis without bank financing. It is Ohio's version of what in some other places is known as "contract for deed".
See "What is a Land Contract in Ohio" and "How Land Contracts Work" The actual law is Section 5313.
In a land contract, the buyer has equitable but not legal title. The buyer normally pays all taxes and fees, and is responsible for maintaining the property, just as if s/he has bought the property. But if the buyer defaults, all payments and equity would be forfeit to the seller. Until the buyer has paid 20% of the purchase price, or made 5 years of payments (whichever comes first) a single3 missed payment constitutes default and can lead to the buyer being evicted with all payments to date going to the seller, the buyer coming out of the deal with nothing.
Also, if the seller still has a mortgage and defaults, the buyer may lose everything paid to date. The buyer does not have the protections that a lease gives a tenant, nor the protections that legal title gives a purchaser via a traditional mortgage.
Land contracts are often used when the buyer cannot qualify for a mortgage.
The buyer pays interest, and it is often at a higher rate than the current rate on a mortgage.
Land contracts are often a form of predatory lending, but for some buyers they make sense. A buyer needs to carefully review the contract with a lawyer knowledgeable about land contracts, and consider the risks and benefits of this form of financing.
As I understand it, there cannot be a valid land contract for one apartment in an apartment building. A land contract must be for title to the land and all fixtures, including all buildings, on it.
It is not clear just what the OP's landlord (LL) has in mind. It may be that LL plans to offer a "land contract" in which the purchase would be completed only after a very long time, with the idea that the OP woulkd simply default when s/he wanted to move. Such a default could harm the OP's credit. There seems no benefit to the OP in such a scheme compared to a lease, unless LL will lower the price significantly, taking into account maintenance costs and taxes, which OP may well be expected to pay under a land contract.
OP needs to very carefully consider just what is being offered, and its risks and any possible benefits. Details of the contract will matter.
The tags say rental property. It does not seem as though the owner is intending "land contract" to have the meaning it normally does.
– Putvi
57 mins ago
5
The tags are what OP thinks applies, and it is a rental now. LL may well be trying to distort or misuse a "land contract", we can't really tell without seeing the proposed contract. LL may have a crazy idea that won't work, but it may harm OP in the process, if OP goes along.
– David Siegel
53 mins ago
@Putvi You are correct in that I am not planning on buying the property and had never even heard the term before today. I do not plan on signing the land contract and I have given no cause for my landlord to terminate the current lease, but this is probably enough concern for me to find elsewhere to move when this lease is up. I have not been offered any form of compensation to sign the land contract and my landlord thinks that I'll voluntarily agree to terminate the lease and sign the land contract for the sake of helping him screw the city. This is all based on a single phonecall.
– BooleanCheese
50 mins ago
2
@BooleanCheese the landlord cna't legally force you to sign a document cancelling your lease, or to sign whatever he will call a "land contract". Nor can he cancel the lease without your consent except for good cause as specified in the law (such as not paying rent). He could become uncooperative on other matters if you don't do as he wants. If you do cancel your lease, you lose some rights. Others are guaranteed by law as long as you are paying rent. If you sign a "land contract" what happens depends on its provisions.
– David Siegel
38 mins ago
2
It may be worth mentioning that if the OP signs this contract with the knowledge of the LL intending to defraud the municipality, that the OP would be guilty of participating in the fraud. There is no reason that the OP should sign this contract unless they have actual intention to participate in the land contract for a valid reason.
– Ron Beyer
8 mins ago
|
show 3 more comments
A "land contract" is not a way of renting property, it is a way of purchasing property on an installment basis without bank financing. It is Ohio's version of what in some other places is known as "contract for deed".
See "What is a Land Contract in Ohio" and "How Land Contracts Work" The actual law is Section 5313.
In a land contract, the buyer has equitable but not legal title. The buyer normally pays all taxes and fees, and is responsible for maintaining the property, just as if s/he has bought the property. But if the buyer defaults, all payments and equity would be forfeit to the seller. Until the buyer has paid 20% of the purchase price, or made 5 years of payments (whichever comes first) a single3 missed payment constitutes default and can lead to the buyer being evicted with all payments to date going to the seller, the buyer coming out of the deal with nothing.
Also, if the seller still has a mortgage and defaults, the buyer may lose everything paid to date. The buyer does not have the protections that a lease gives a tenant, nor the protections that legal title gives a purchaser via a traditional mortgage.
Land contracts are often used when the buyer cannot qualify for a mortgage.
The buyer pays interest, and it is often at a higher rate than the current rate on a mortgage.
Land contracts are often a form of predatory lending, but for some buyers they make sense. A buyer needs to carefully review the contract with a lawyer knowledgeable about land contracts, and consider the risks and benefits of this form of financing.
As I understand it, there cannot be a valid land contract for one apartment in an apartment building. A land contract must be for title to the land and all fixtures, including all buildings, on it.
It is not clear just what the OP's landlord (LL) has in mind. It may be that LL plans to offer a "land contract" in which the purchase would be completed only after a very long time, with the idea that the OP woulkd simply default when s/he wanted to move. Such a default could harm the OP's credit. There seems no benefit to the OP in such a scheme compared to a lease, unless LL will lower the price significantly, taking into account maintenance costs and taxes, which OP may well be expected to pay under a land contract.
OP needs to very carefully consider just what is being offered, and its risks and any possible benefits. Details of the contract will matter.
The tags say rental property. It does not seem as though the owner is intending "land contract" to have the meaning it normally does.
– Putvi
57 mins ago
5
The tags are what OP thinks applies, and it is a rental now. LL may well be trying to distort or misuse a "land contract", we can't really tell without seeing the proposed contract. LL may have a crazy idea that won't work, but it may harm OP in the process, if OP goes along.
– David Siegel
53 mins ago
@Putvi You are correct in that I am not planning on buying the property and had never even heard the term before today. I do not plan on signing the land contract and I have given no cause for my landlord to terminate the current lease, but this is probably enough concern for me to find elsewhere to move when this lease is up. I have not been offered any form of compensation to sign the land contract and my landlord thinks that I'll voluntarily agree to terminate the lease and sign the land contract for the sake of helping him screw the city. This is all based on a single phonecall.
– BooleanCheese
50 mins ago
2
@BooleanCheese the landlord cna't legally force you to sign a document cancelling your lease, or to sign whatever he will call a "land contract". Nor can he cancel the lease without your consent except for good cause as specified in the law (such as not paying rent). He could become uncooperative on other matters if you don't do as he wants. If you do cancel your lease, you lose some rights. Others are guaranteed by law as long as you are paying rent. If you sign a "land contract" what happens depends on its provisions.
– David Siegel
38 mins ago
2
It may be worth mentioning that if the OP signs this contract with the knowledge of the LL intending to defraud the municipality, that the OP would be guilty of participating in the fraud. There is no reason that the OP should sign this contract unless they have actual intention to participate in the land contract for a valid reason.
– Ron Beyer
8 mins ago
|
show 3 more comments
A "land contract" is not a way of renting property, it is a way of purchasing property on an installment basis without bank financing. It is Ohio's version of what in some other places is known as "contract for deed".
See "What is a Land Contract in Ohio" and "How Land Contracts Work" The actual law is Section 5313.
In a land contract, the buyer has equitable but not legal title. The buyer normally pays all taxes and fees, and is responsible for maintaining the property, just as if s/he has bought the property. But if the buyer defaults, all payments and equity would be forfeit to the seller. Until the buyer has paid 20% of the purchase price, or made 5 years of payments (whichever comes first) a single3 missed payment constitutes default and can lead to the buyer being evicted with all payments to date going to the seller, the buyer coming out of the deal with nothing.
Also, if the seller still has a mortgage and defaults, the buyer may lose everything paid to date. The buyer does not have the protections that a lease gives a tenant, nor the protections that legal title gives a purchaser via a traditional mortgage.
Land contracts are often used when the buyer cannot qualify for a mortgage.
The buyer pays interest, and it is often at a higher rate than the current rate on a mortgage.
Land contracts are often a form of predatory lending, but for some buyers they make sense. A buyer needs to carefully review the contract with a lawyer knowledgeable about land contracts, and consider the risks and benefits of this form of financing.
As I understand it, there cannot be a valid land contract for one apartment in an apartment building. A land contract must be for title to the land and all fixtures, including all buildings, on it.
It is not clear just what the OP's landlord (LL) has in mind. It may be that LL plans to offer a "land contract" in which the purchase would be completed only after a very long time, with the idea that the OP woulkd simply default when s/he wanted to move. Such a default could harm the OP's credit. There seems no benefit to the OP in such a scheme compared to a lease, unless LL will lower the price significantly, taking into account maintenance costs and taxes, which OP may well be expected to pay under a land contract.
OP needs to very carefully consider just what is being offered, and its risks and any possible benefits. Details of the contract will matter.
A "land contract" is not a way of renting property, it is a way of purchasing property on an installment basis without bank financing. It is Ohio's version of what in some other places is known as "contract for deed".
See "What is a Land Contract in Ohio" and "How Land Contracts Work" The actual law is Section 5313.
In a land contract, the buyer has equitable but not legal title. The buyer normally pays all taxes and fees, and is responsible for maintaining the property, just as if s/he has bought the property. But if the buyer defaults, all payments and equity would be forfeit to the seller. Until the buyer has paid 20% of the purchase price, or made 5 years of payments (whichever comes first) a single3 missed payment constitutes default and can lead to the buyer being evicted with all payments to date going to the seller, the buyer coming out of the deal with nothing.
Also, if the seller still has a mortgage and defaults, the buyer may lose everything paid to date. The buyer does not have the protections that a lease gives a tenant, nor the protections that legal title gives a purchaser via a traditional mortgage.
Land contracts are often used when the buyer cannot qualify for a mortgage.
The buyer pays interest, and it is often at a higher rate than the current rate on a mortgage.
Land contracts are often a form of predatory lending, but for some buyers they make sense. A buyer needs to carefully review the contract with a lawyer knowledgeable about land contracts, and consider the risks and benefits of this form of financing.
As I understand it, there cannot be a valid land contract for one apartment in an apartment building. A land contract must be for title to the land and all fixtures, including all buildings, on it.
It is not clear just what the OP's landlord (LL) has in mind. It may be that LL plans to offer a "land contract" in which the purchase would be completed only after a very long time, with the idea that the OP woulkd simply default when s/he wanted to move. Such a default could harm the OP's credit. There seems no benefit to the OP in such a scheme compared to a lease, unless LL will lower the price significantly, taking into account maintenance costs and taxes, which OP may well be expected to pay under a land contract.
OP needs to very carefully consider just what is being offered, and its risks and any possible benefits. Details of the contract will matter.
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The tags say rental property. It does not seem as though the owner is intending "land contract" to have the meaning it normally does.
– Putvi
57 mins ago
5
The tags are what OP thinks applies, and it is a rental now. LL may well be trying to distort or misuse a "land contract", we can't really tell without seeing the proposed contract. LL may have a crazy idea that won't work, but it may harm OP in the process, if OP goes along.
– David Siegel
53 mins ago
@Putvi You are correct in that I am not planning on buying the property and had never even heard the term before today. I do not plan on signing the land contract and I have given no cause for my landlord to terminate the current lease, but this is probably enough concern for me to find elsewhere to move when this lease is up. I have not been offered any form of compensation to sign the land contract and my landlord thinks that I'll voluntarily agree to terminate the lease and sign the land contract for the sake of helping him screw the city. This is all based on a single phonecall.
– BooleanCheese
50 mins ago
2
@BooleanCheese the landlord cna't legally force you to sign a document cancelling your lease, or to sign whatever he will call a "land contract". Nor can he cancel the lease without your consent except for good cause as specified in the law (such as not paying rent). He could become uncooperative on other matters if you don't do as he wants. If you do cancel your lease, you lose some rights. Others are guaranteed by law as long as you are paying rent. If you sign a "land contract" what happens depends on its provisions.
– David Siegel
38 mins ago
2
It may be worth mentioning that if the OP signs this contract with the knowledge of the LL intending to defraud the municipality, that the OP would be guilty of participating in the fraud. There is no reason that the OP should sign this contract unless they have actual intention to participate in the land contract for a valid reason.
– Ron Beyer
8 mins ago
|
show 3 more comments
The tags say rental property. It does not seem as though the owner is intending "land contract" to have the meaning it normally does.
– Putvi
57 mins ago
5
The tags are what OP thinks applies, and it is a rental now. LL may well be trying to distort or misuse a "land contract", we can't really tell without seeing the proposed contract. LL may have a crazy idea that won't work, but it may harm OP in the process, if OP goes along.
– David Siegel
53 mins ago
@Putvi You are correct in that I am not planning on buying the property and had never even heard the term before today. I do not plan on signing the land contract and I have given no cause for my landlord to terminate the current lease, but this is probably enough concern for me to find elsewhere to move when this lease is up. I have not been offered any form of compensation to sign the land contract and my landlord thinks that I'll voluntarily agree to terminate the lease and sign the land contract for the sake of helping him screw the city. This is all based on a single phonecall.
– BooleanCheese
50 mins ago
2
@BooleanCheese the landlord cna't legally force you to sign a document cancelling your lease, or to sign whatever he will call a "land contract". Nor can he cancel the lease without your consent except for good cause as specified in the law (such as not paying rent). He could become uncooperative on other matters if you don't do as he wants. If you do cancel your lease, you lose some rights. Others are guaranteed by law as long as you are paying rent. If you sign a "land contract" what happens depends on its provisions.
– David Siegel
38 mins ago
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It may be worth mentioning that if the OP signs this contract with the knowledge of the LL intending to defraud the municipality, that the OP would be guilty of participating in the fraud. There is no reason that the OP should sign this contract unless they have actual intention to participate in the land contract for a valid reason.
– Ron Beyer
8 mins ago
The tags say rental property. It does not seem as though the owner is intending "land contract" to have the meaning it normally does.
– Putvi
57 mins ago
The tags say rental property. It does not seem as though the owner is intending "land contract" to have the meaning it normally does.
– Putvi
57 mins ago
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The tags are what OP thinks applies, and it is a rental now. LL may well be trying to distort or misuse a "land contract", we can't really tell without seeing the proposed contract. LL may have a crazy idea that won't work, but it may harm OP in the process, if OP goes along.
– David Siegel
53 mins ago
The tags are what OP thinks applies, and it is a rental now. LL may well be trying to distort or misuse a "land contract", we can't really tell without seeing the proposed contract. LL may have a crazy idea that won't work, but it may harm OP in the process, if OP goes along.
– David Siegel
53 mins ago
@Putvi You are correct in that I am not planning on buying the property and had never even heard the term before today. I do not plan on signing the land contract and I have given no cause for my landlord to terminate the current lease, but this is probably enough concern for me to find elsewhere to move when this lease is up. I have not been offered any form of compensation to sign the land contract and my landlord thinks that I'll voluntarily agree to terminate the lease and sign the land contract for the sake of helping him screw the city. This is all based on a single phonecall.
– BooleanCheese
50 mins ago
@Putvi You are correct in that I am not planning on buying the property and had never even heard the term before today. I do not plan on signing the land contract and I have given no cause for my landlord to terminate the current lease, but this is probably enough concern for me to find elsewhere to move when this lease is up. I have not been offered any form of compensation to sign the land contract and my landlord thinks that I'll voluntarily agree to terminate the lease and sign the land contract for the sake of helping him screw the city. This is all based on a single phonecall.
– BooleanCheese
50 mins ago
2
2
@BooleanCheese the landlord cna't legally force you to sign a document cancelling your lease, or to sign whatever he will call a "land contract". Nor can he cancel the lease without your consent except for good cause as specified in the law (such as not paying rent). He could become uncooperative on other matters if you don't do as he wants. If you do cancel your lease, you lose some rights. Others are guaranteed by law as long as you are paying rent. If you sign a "land contract" what happens depends on its provisions.
– David Siegel
38 mins ago
@BooleanCheese the landlord cna't legally force you to sign a document cancelling your lease, or to sign whatever he will call a "land contract". Nor can he cancel the lease without your consent except for good cause as specified in the law (such as not paying rent). He could become uncooperative on other matters if you don't do as he wants. If you do cancel your lease, you lose some rights. Others are guaranteed by law as long as you are paying rent. If you sign a "land contract" what happens depends on its provisions.
– David Siegel
38 mins ago
2
2
It may be worth mentioning that if the OP signs this contract with the knowledge of the LL intending to defraud the municipality, that the OP would be guilty of participating in the fraud. There is no reason that the OP should sign this contract unless they have actual intention to participate in the land contract for a valid reason.
– Ron Beyer
8 mins ago
It may be worth mentioning that if the OP signs this contract with the knowledge of the LL intending to defraud the municipality, that the OP would be guilty of participating in the fraud. There is no reason that the OP should sign this contract unless they have actual intention to participate in the land contract for a valid reason.
– Ron Beyer
8 mins ago
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Tax wise, you don't have to pay taxes on someone else's property. The same goes for the inspection. He has to be inspected because he is renting to someone else, you aren't.
He isn't selling you land, if you are paying him for the apartment, you are still a renter, so no matter what he calls it, the building must be inspected, because someone lives there.
But what's the advantage for him if he makes it a land contract?
– BooleanCheese
3 hours ago
There isn't one. People have tried crazy things to get out of paying fees and such since the beginning of time.
– Putvi
3 hours ago
Land contract is supposed to mean that he takes no interest in it while you pay for it buy the month, but if he is using it to rent to you as in he would own it, he gets no benefits. Hes just trying to change the wording to cheat the city and not live up to what it really should mean.
– Putvi
3 hours ago
4
This answer appears to misunderstand what a land contract is in Ohio, and make assertions which are not or may not be true. See my answer.
– David Siegel
1 hour ago
3
OP doesn't really know what LL is offering, because OP hasn't seen the contract yet. If it purports to be a land contract, and fulfills the legal minimum under Sec 5313, it is a land contract, and OP may be on the hook for taxes and repairs. If the offered contract does not comply with 5313, it is hard to say what effect it will have, but OP will have given up any lease, it seems. OP might then be renting month-to-month. But who knows?
– David Siegel
56 mins ago
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Tax wise, you don't have to pay taxes on someone else's property. The same goes for the inspection. He has to be inspected because he is renting to someone else, you aren't.
He isn't selling you land, if you are paying him for the apartment, you are still a renter, so no matter what he calls it, the building must be inspected, because someone lives there.
But what's the advantage for him if he makes it a land contract?
– BooleanCheese
3 hours ago
There isn't one. People have tried crazy things to get out of paying fees and such since the beginning of time.
– Putvi
3 hours ago
Land contract is supposed to mean that he takes no interest in it while you pay for it buy the month, but if he is using it to rent to you as in he would own it, he gets no benefits. Hes just trying to change the wording to cheat the city and not live up to what it really should mean.
– Putvi
3 hours ago
4
This answer appears to misunderstand what a land contract is in Ohio, and make assertions which are not or may not be true. See my answer.
– David Siegel
1 hour ago
3
OP doesn't really know what LL is offering, because OP hasn't seen the contract yet. If it purports to be a land contract, and fulfills the legal minimum under Sec 5313, it is a land contract, and OP may be on the hook for taxes and repairs. If the offered contract does not comply with 5313, it is hard to say what effect it will have, but OP will have given up any lease, it seems. OP might then be renting month-to-month. But who knows?
– David Siegel
56 mins ago
|
show 1 more comment
Tax wise, you don't have to pay taxes on someone else's property. The same goes for the inspection. He has to be inspected because he is renting to someone else, you aren't.
He isn't selling you land, if you are paying him for the apartment, you are still a renter, so no matter what he calls it, the building must be inspected, because someone lives there.
Tax wise, you don't have to pay taxes on someone else's property. The same goes for the inspection. He has to be inspected because he is renting to someone else, you aren't.
He isn't selling you land, if you are paying him for the apartment, you are still a renter, so no matter what he calls it, the building must be inspected, because someone lives there.
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But what's the advantage for him if he makes it a land contract?
– BooleanCheese
3 hours ago
There isn't one. People have tried crazy things to get out of paying fees and such since the beginning of time.
– Putvi
3 hours ago
Land contract is supposed to mean that he takes no interest in it while you pay for it buy the month, but if he is using it to rent to you as in he would own it, he gets no benefits. Hes just trying to change the wording to cheat the city and not live up to what it really should mean.
– Putvi
3 hours ago
4
This answer appears to misunderstand what a land contract is in Ohio, and make assertions which are not or may not be true. See my answer.
– David Siegel
1 hour ago
3
OP doesn't really know what LL is offering, because OP hasn't seen the contract yet. If it purports to be a land contract, and fulfills the legal minimum under Sec 5313, it is a land contract, and OP may be on the hook for taxes and repairs. If the offered contract does not comply with 5313, it is hard to say what effect it will have, but OP will have given up any lease, it seems. OP might then be renting month-to-month. But who knows?
– David Siegel
56 mins ago
|
show 1 more comment
But what's the advantage for him if he makes it a land contract?
– BooleanCheese
3 hours ago
There isn't one. People have tried crazy things to get out of paying fees and such since the beginning of time.
– Putvi
3 hours ago
Land contract is supposed to mean that he takes no interest in it while you pay for it buy the month, but if he is using it to rent to you as in he would own it, he gets no benefits. Hes just trying to change the wording to cheat the city and not live up to what it really should mean.
– Putvi
3 hours ago
4
This answer appears to misunderstand what a land contract is in Ohio, and make assertions which are not or may not be true. See my answer.
– David Siegel
1 hour ago
3
OP doesn't really know what LL is offering, because OP hasn't seen the contract yet. If it purports to be a land contract, and fulfills the legal minimum under Sec 5313, it is a land contract, and OP may be on the hook for taxes and repairs. If the offered contract does not comply with 5313, it is hard to say what effect it will have, but OP will have given up any lease, it seems. OP might then be renting month-to-month. But who knows?
– David Siegel
56 mins ago
But what's the advantage for him if he makes it a land contract?
– BooleanCheese
3 hours ago
But what's the advantage for him if he makes it a land contract?
– BooleanCheese
3 hours ago
There isn't one. People have tried crazy things to get out of paying fees and such since the beginning of time.
– Putvi
3 hours ago
There isn't one. People have tried crazy things to get out of paying fees and such since the beginning of time.
– Putvi
3 hours ago
Land contract is supposed to mean that he takes no interest in it while you pay for it buy the month, but if he is using it to rent to you as in he would own it, he gets no benefits. Hes just trying to change the wording to cheat the city and not live up to what it really should mean.
– Putvi
3 hours ago
Land contract is supposed to mean that he takes no interest in it while you pay for it buy the month, but if he is using it to rent to you as in he would own it, he gets no benefits. Hes just trying to change the wording to cheat the city and not live up to what it really should mean.
– Putvi
3 hours ago
4
4
This answer appears to misunderstand what a land contract is in Ohio, and make assertions which are not or may not be true. See my answer.
– David Siegel
1 hour ago
This answer appears to misunderstand what a land contract is in Ohio, and make assertions which are not or may not be true. See my answer.
– David Siegel
1 hour ago
3
3
OP doesn't really know what LL is offering, because OP hasn't seen the contract yet. If it purports to be a land contract, and fulfills the legal minimum under Sec 5313, it is a land contract, and OP may be on the hook for taxes and repairs. If the offered contract does not comply with 5313, it is hard to say what effect it will have, but OP will have given up any lease, it seems. OP might then be renting month-to-month. But who knows?
– David Siegel
56 mins ago
OP doesn't really know what LL is offering, because OP hasn't seen the contract yet. If it purports to be a land contract, and fulfills the legal minimum under Sec 5313, it is a land contract, and OP may be on the hook for taxes and repairs. If the offered contract does not comply with 5313, it is hard to say what effect it will have, but OP will have given up any lease, it seems. OP might then be renting month-to-month. But who knows?
– David Siegel
56 mins ago
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Is the property being rented a house, an apartment, or what?
– David Siegel
1 hour ago
@DavidSiegel A rented house and I'm only two months into my year long lease.
– BooleanCheese
57 mins ago